Is the obesity crisis hiding a bigger problem Peter Attia

[Music]

I’ll never forget that day back in the

spring of 2006 I was a surgical resident

at the Johns Hopkins Hospital taking

emergency call I got paged by the ER

around 2:00 in the morning to come and

see a woman with a diabetic ulcer on her

foot can still remember sort of that

smell of rotting flesh as I pulled the

curtain back to see her everybody there

agreed this woman was very sick and she

needed to be in the hospital that wasn’t

being asked the question that was being

asked of me was a different one which

was did she also need an amputation now

looking back on that night I’d loved so

desperately to believe that I treated

that woman on that night with the same

empathy and compassion I’d shown the 27

year old newlywed who came to the ER

three nights earlier with lower back

pain that turned out to be advanced

pancreatic cancer in her case I knew

there was nothing I could do that was

actually going to save her life the

cancer was too advanced but I was

committed to making sure that I could do

anything possible to make her stay more

comfortable I brought her a warm blanket

and a cup of coffee brought some for her

parents but more importantly you see I

pass no judgment on her because

obviously she had done nothing to bring

this on herself so why was it that just

a few nights later as I stood in that

same ER and determined that my diabetic

patient did indeed need an amputation

why did I hold her in such bitter

contempt you see unlike the woman the

night before this woman had type 2

diabetes she was fat and we all know

that’s from eating too much and not

exercising enough right I mean how hard

can it be as I look down at her in the

bed I thought to myself if you just try

caring even a little bit you wouldn’t be

in this situation at this moment with

some doctor you’ve never met about to

amputate your foot why did I feel

justified in judging her

I’d like to say I don’t know but I

actually do you see in the hubris of my

youth I thought I had her all figured

out she ate too much

she got unlucky she got diabetes case

closed

ironically at that time in my life I was

also doing cancer research immune based

therapies for melanoma to be specific

and in that world I was actually taught

to question everything to challenge all

assumptions and hold them to the highest

possible scientific standards yet when

it came to a disease like diabetes that

kills Americans eight times more

frequently than melanoma I never once

questioned the conventional wisdom

actually just assumed the pathologic

sequence of events was settled science

three years later I found out how wrong

I was but this time I was the patient

despite exercising three or four hours

every single day and following the food

pyramid to the letter I gained a lot of

weight and developed something called

metabolic syndrome some of you may have

heard of this

I had become insulin resistant you can

think of insulin as this master hormone

that controls what our body does with

the foods we eat whether we burn it or

store it this is called fuel

partitioning in the lingo now failure to

produce enough insulin is incompatible

with life an insulin resistance as its

name suggests is when your cells get

increasingly resistant to the effect of

insulin trying to do its job

once your insulin resistant you’re on

your way to getting diabetes which is

what happens when your pancreas can’t

keep up with the resistance and make

enough insulin now your blood sugar

levels start to rise and an entire

cascade of pathologic events sort of

spirals out of control that can lead to

heart disease cancer even Alzheimer’s

disease and amputations just like that

woman a few years earlier with that

scare I got busy changing my diet

radically adding and subtracting things

most of you would find almost assuredly

shocking I did this and lost 40 pounds

weirdly while exercising less I

can see I guess I’m not over it anymore

more importantly I don’t have insulin

resistance but most important I was left

with these three burning questions that

wouldn’t go away how did this happen to

me if I was supposedly doing everything

right if the conventional wisdom about

nutrition had failed me

was it possible it was failing someone

else and underlying these questions I

became almost maniacally obsessed in

trying to understand the real

relationship between obesity and insulin

resistance

now most researchers believe obesity is

the cause of insulin resistance

logically then if you want to treat

insulin resistance you get people to

lose weight right you treat the obesity

but what if we have it backwards

what if obesity isn’t the cause of

insulin resistance at all in fact what

if it’s a symptom of a much deeper

problem the tip of a proverbial iceberg

I know it sounds crazy because we’re

obviously in the midst of an obesity

epidemic but hear me out

what if obesity is a coping mechanism

for a far more sinister problem going on

underneath the cell I’m not suggesting

that obesity is benign but what I am

suggesting is it may be the lesser of

two metabolic evils you can think of

insulin resistance as the reduced

capacity of our cells to partition fuel

as I alluded to a moment ago taking

those calories that we’ve taken and

burning some appropriately and storing

some appropriately when we become

insulin resistant the homeostasis and

that balance deviates from this state so

now when insulin says to a cell I want

you to burn more energy than the cell

considers safe the cell in effect says

no thanks I’d actually rather store this

energy and because fat cells are

actually missing most of the complex

cellular machinery found in other cells

probably the safest place to store it so

for many of us about 75 million

Americans the appropriate response to

insulin resistance may actually be to

store it as fat not the reverse

getting insulin resistance in response

to get

fazt this is a really subtle distinction

but the implication could be profound

consider the following analogy think of

the bruise you get on your shin when you

inadvertently bang your leg into the

coffee table sure the bruise hurts like

hell and you almost certainly don’t like

the discolored look but we all know the

bruise per se is not the problem in fact

it’s the opposite it’s a healthy

response to the trauma all of those

immune cells rushing to the site of the

injury to salvage cellular debris and

prevent the spread of infection to

elsewhere in the body now imagine we

thought bruises were the problem and we

evolved a giant medical establishment

and a culture around treating bruises

masking creams painkillers you name it

all the while ignoring the fact that

people are still banging their shins

into coffee tables how much better would

we be if we treated the cause telling

people to pay attention when they walk

through the living room rather than the

effect getting the cause in the effect

right makes all the difference in the

world getting it wrong and the

pharmaceutical industry can still do

very well for its shareholders but

nothing improves for the people with

bruised shins cause and effect so what

I’m suggesting is maybe we have the

cause-and-effect wrong on obesity and

insulin resistance maybe we should be

asking ourselves is it possible that

insulin resistance causes weight gain

and the diseases associated with obesity

at least in most people what if being

obese is just a metabolic response to

something much more threatening an

underlying epidemic the one we ought to

be worried about

let’s look at some suggestive facts we

know that 30 million obese Americans in

the United States don’t have insulin

resistance and by the way they don’t

appear to be at any greater risk of

disease than lean people conversely we

know that 6 million lean people in the

United States are insulin resistant and

by the way they appear to be at even

greater risk for those metabolic

diseases I mentioned

ago than their obese counterparts now I

don’t know why but it might be because

in their case their cells haven’t

actually figured out the right thing to

do with that excess energy so if you can

be obese and not have insulin resistance

and you can be lean and have it

this suggests that obesity may just be a

proxy for what’s going on so what if

we’re fighting the wrong war fighting

obesity rather than insulin resistance

even worse what if blaming the obese

means we’re blaming the victims what if

some of our fundamental ideas about

obesity are just wrong personally I

can’t afford the luxury of arrogance

anymore let alone the luxury of

certainty I have my own ideas about what

could be at the heart of this but I’m

I’m wide open to others now my

hypothesis because everybody always asks

me is this if you ask yourself what’s a

cell trying to protect itself from when

it becomes insulin resistant the answer

probably isn’t too much food it’s more

likely too much glucose blood sugar now

we know that refined grains and starches

elevate your blood sugar in the short

run and there’s even reason to believe

that sugar may lead to insulin

resistance directly so if you kind of

put these physiological processes to

work I’d hypothesize that it might be

our increased intake of refined grains

sugars and starches that’s driving this

epidemic of obesity and insulin

resistance sorry obesity and diabetes

but through insulin resistance you see

and not necessarily through just

overeating and under exercising now when

I lost my 40 pounds a few years ago I

did it simply by restricting those

things which admittedly suggests I have

a bias based on my personal experience

but that doesn’t mean my bias is wrong

and most important all of this can be

tested scientifically but step one is

accepting the possibility that our

current beliefs about obesity diabetes

and insulin resistance could be wrong

and therefore must be tested I’m betting

my career on this today I devote all of

my time to working on this problem and

I’ll go wherever the science takes me

I’ve decided that what I can’t and won’t

do anymore is pretend I have the answers

when I don’t I’ve been humbled enough by

all I don’t know for the past year I’ve

been fortunate enough to work on this

problem with the most amazing team of

diabetes and obesity researchers in the

country and the best part is just like

Abraham Lincoln surrounded himself with

a team of rivals we’ve done the same

thing we’ve recruited a team of

scientific rivals the best and brightest

who all have different hypotheses for

what’s at the heart of this epidemic

some think it’s too many calories

consumed others think it’s too much

dietary fat others think it’s too many

refined grains and starches but this

team of multidisciplinary highly

skeptical and exceedingly talented

researchers do agree on two things first

this problem is just simply too

important to continue ignoring because

we think we know the answer and two if

we’re willing to be wrong if we’re

willing to challenge the conventional

wisdom with the best experiments science

can offer we can solve this problem I

know it’s tempting to want an answer

right now some form of action or policy

some dietary prescription eat this not

that but if we want to get it right

we’re going to have to do much more

rigorous science before we can write

that prescription briefly to address

this our research program is focused

around three meta themes or questions

first how do the various foods we

consume impact our metabolism hormones

and enzymes and through what nuanced

molecular mechanisms second based on

these insights can people make the

necessary changes in their diets that in

a safe and practical way to implement

and finally once we identify what’s safe

and practical changes people can make to

their diet how can we move their

behavior in that direction so that it

becomes more the default rather than the

exception just because you know what to

do doesn’t mean you’re always going to

do it sometimes we have to put cues

around people to make it easier and

believe it or not that can be studied

scientific

I don’t know how this journey is going

to end but this much seems clear to me

at least

we can’t keep blaming our overweight and

diabetic patients like I did most of

them actually want to do the right thing

but they have to know what that is and

it’s got to work I dream of a day when

our patients can you know shed their

excess pounds and cure themselves of

insulin resistance because as medical

professionals we’ve shed our excess

mental baggage and cured ourselves of

new idea resistance sufficiently to go

back to our original ideals open minds

the courage to throw out yesterday’s

ideas when they don’t appear to be

working and the understanding that

scientific truth isn’t final but

constantly evolving staying true to that

path will be better for our patients and

better for science

if obesity is nothing more than a proxy

for metabolic illness what good does it

do us to punish those with the proxy

sometimes I think back to that night in

the ER seven years ago I wish I could

speak with that woman again I’d like to

tell her how sorry I am

I’d say um you know as a doctor I

delivered the best clinical care I could

but as a as a human being I let you down

you didn’t need my judgment and my

contempt you needed my empathy and

compassion above all else you needed a

doctor who was willing to consider maybe

you didn’t let the system down maybe the

system of which I was a part was letting

you down if you’re watching this now I

hope you can forgive me

[Applause]

you

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我永远不会忘记

2006 年春天的那一天,我是

约翰霍普金斯医院的一名外科住院医师,正在接受

紧急呼叫,我

在凌晨 2:00 左右接到急诊室的传呼,

来看一位患有 她

脚上的糖尿病溃疡仍然记得

那种腐肉的味道,因为我拉开

窗帘去看她,那里的每个人都

同意这个女人病得很重,她

需要住院,

没有被问到这个问题

被问到我是一个不同的问题

,她现在还需要截肢吗?现在

回想那个我非常爱的那个晚上

,相信我

那天晚上对待那个女人的

同情心和同情心与我对 27

一岁的新婚夫妇,

三晚前因

腰痛来到急诊室,结果是

她的情况

是晚期胰腺癌

通讯录 为了确保我可以尽

一切可能让她住得更

舒服我给她带来了温暖的毯子

和一杯咖啡,为她的父母带来了一些

但更重要的是你看到我

没有对她做出判断,因为

显然她没有做任何事情

把这件事交给自己,为什么就

在几个晚上之后,当我站在

同一个急诊室并确定我的糖尿病

患者确实需要截肢时,

为什么我如此蔑视她,

你看到的不像

前一天晚上的女人 女人患有 2

型糖尿病 她很胖 我们都知道

那是因为吃得太多而且

锻炼得不够正确

有点你现在不会

遇到这种情况

有一个你从未见过的医生 即将

截肢 为什么我觉得

评判她是正当的

我想说我不知道 但我

实际上你明白 在我的傲慢中

年轻时我以为我让她都

知道她吃得太多了

她很不幸她

在我生命中的那个时候得到了糖尿病病例具有讽刺意味的是我

也在做癌症研究免疫

治疗黑色素瘤是具体的

,在那个世界里我实际上被教导

质疑一切以挑战所有

假设并将它们保持在

尽可能高的科学标准然而当

谈到像糖尿病这样的疾病,它

杀死美国人的

频率是黑色素瘤的八倍时,我从未

质疑过传统智慧,

实际上只是假设事件的病理

顺序是

三年后,我发现自己错了

,但这一次我是病人,

尽管每天锻炼三四个小时,

并按照食物

金字塔的规定,我体重增加了很多,

并患上了一种叫做

代谢综合征的东西。 你可能

听说过

我已经产生了胰岛素抵抗你可以

把胰岛素想象成这种主要的激素

它控制着我们的身体如何处理

我们吃的食物,无论是燃烧还是

储存,这

在术语中称为燃料分配 现在无法

产生足够的胰岛素

与生命不相容 胰岛素抵抗

顾名思义就是当你的细胞变得

越来越抵抗时

当你的胰岛素抵抗时,胰岛素会

试图发挥作用,你就会患上糖尿病

一连串的病理事件

失控,可能导致

心脏病,癌症甚至阿尔茨海默

病和截肢,就像

几年前那个

女人一样,我正忙着改变我的饮食,

从根本上增加和减少

你们大多数人的东西 几乎肯定会

感到震惊 我这样做了,并且

在减少运动的同时奇怪地减掉

40 磅 重要的是,我没有胰岛素

抵抗,但最重要的是,我留下

了这三个

不会消失

的棘手问题

它让其他

人失望了,在这些问题的背后,我

几乎疯狂地

试图理解

肥胖和胰岛素抵抗之间的真正关系

减肥是对的,你治疗肥胖,

但如果我们把它倒过来

,如果肥胖根本不是

胰岛素抵抗的原因,

如果它是一个更深层次

问题的症状,

我知道这听起来很疯狂。 因为我们

显然正处于肥胖流行之中,

但听我

说如果肥胖是一种应对机制

细胞下面发生的严重问题我并不是

说肥胖是良性的,但我的意思

是它可能是

两种代谢邪恶中较小的一种,你可以将

胰岛素抵抗视为

我们细胞分配燃料的能力降低,

正如我所暗示的 到刚才

摄取我们摄入的卡路里并

适当燃烧一些卡路里并适当储存

一些当我们变得

胰岛素抵抗时体内平衡

和平衡偏离这种状态所以

现在当胰岛素对细胞说我希望

你燃烧的能量比 细胞

认为安全 细胞实际上

说不 谢谢我实际上宁愿储存这种

能量,因为脂肪细胞

实际上缺少大多数

在其他细胞中发现的复杂细胞机制,这

可能是储存它的最安全的地方,所以

对于我们中的许多人来说,大约 75 百万

美国人对胰岛素抵抗的适当反应

实际上可能是将其

储存为脂肪而不是

相反 这是一个非常微妙的区别,

但含义可能很深刻

考虑以下类比 想想

你不经意间把腿撞到

咖啡桌上时你的胫骨上的瘀伤

变色的外观,但我们都知道

瘀伤本身不是问题,

事实上恰恰相反,它是

对创伤的健康反应,所有

免疫细胞都会冲向

受伤部位以挽救细胞碎片并

防止感染扩散到

其他地方 现在想象一下,我们

认为瘀伤是问题所在,我们

发展了一个巨大的医疗机构

和一种围绕治疗瘀伤的文化,

遮盖霜,止痛药,你

一直在说它,而忽略了

人们仍在把小腿

撞到咖啡桌上的事实

如果我们对待原因,告诉

人们在穿过客厅时要注意,

而不是

效果得到 正确的因果关系

使世界变得完全不同

肥胖和胰岛素抵抗的因果关系错误

也许我们应该

问自己,胰岛素抵抗是否有可能

导致体重增加

以及至少在大多数人中与肥胖相关的疾病

如果

肥胖只是对某些事物的代谢反应呢?

更具威胁性的

潜在流行病 我们

应该担心的流行病

让我们看看一些暗示性的事实,我们

知道美国有 3000 万肥胖的

美国人没有胰岛素

抵抗,顺便说一下,他们

似乎没有更大

比瘦人患疾病的风险相反,我们

知道美国有 600 万瘦人

有胰岛素抵抗

,顺便说一下,他们似乎是 我之前提到

的那些代谢

疾病的风险

比他们的肥胖同行现在更大我

不知道为什么,但这可能是因为

在他们的情况下,他们的细胞实际上并没有

找到正确的方法

来处理多余的能量,所以如果你 可以

是肥胖的,没有胰岛素抵抗

,你可以很瘦,有它

这表明肥胖可能只是正在

发生的事情的一个代表,所以如果

我们正在与

肥胖而不是胰岛素

抵抗进行错误的战争怎么办 肥胖

意味着我们在责备受害者 如果

我们对肥胖的一些基本想法对

我个人来说是错误的

怎么办

我现在对别人敞开心扉我的

假设,因为每个人总是问

我,如果你问自己

,当它变得胰岛素抵抗时,什么是试图保护自己的细胞?

答案

p 可能不是太多的食物它更有

可能是太多的葡萄糖血糖现在

我们知道精制谷物和淀粉

在短期内会提高你的血糖,

甚至有理由

相信糖可能会直接导致胰岛素

抵抗所以如果你有点

让这些生理过程发挥

作用

几年前当我减掉 40 磅时,现在开始锻炼,我

只是通过限制那些事情来做到这一点,这些

事情诚然表明我

对我的个人经验有偏见,

但这并不意味着我的偏见是错误的

,最重要的是,这一切都可以

经过科学测试,但第一步是

接受我们

目前关于肥胖糖尿病

和胰岛素抵抗的信念可能是 错误

,因此必须进行测试 我

今天将我的职业生涯赌在这个问题上 我将所有时间都投入

到解决这个问题上

我会去任何科学带我去的地方

我已经决定了我不能做和不会做的事情

再做就是假装我有答案,而实际上我没有答案

过去的一年里,我对所有我不知道的事情感到谦卑,我

很幸运能够

与最了不起的糖尿病和肥胖症团队一起解决这个问题

国的研究人员,最好的部分就像

亚伯拉罕·林肯周围有

一群竞争对手我们做了同样的

事情我们招募了一个

科学竞争对手团队最优秀和最聪明

的人对核心问题都有不同的假设 对于这种流行病,

一些

人认为它消耗了过多的卡路里,另一些

人认为是膳食脂肪过多,另一些人认为是

精制谷物和淀粉过多,但是

这支多学科的高度

怀疑和非常有才华的

研究人员确实在两件事上达成了一致,首先是

这个问题 只是太

重要了,不能继续忽视,因为

我们认为我们知道答案,如果

我们愿意犯错,两个如果我们愿意

用科学可以提供的最好的实验来挑战传统智慧,

我们可以解决这个问题我

知道这是 现在很想得到答案

某种形式的行动或政策

一些饮食处方 吃这个不是

那个,但如果我们想把它做对,

我们将不得不做更

严格的科学,然后才能

简要地写出那个处方来解决

这个问题 我们的研究计划

围绕三个元主题或问题

首先我们食用的各种食物如何

影响我们的新陈代谢激素

和酶,

其次基于

这些见解,人们可以通过哪些细微的分子机制

对他们的饮食进行必要的改变,从而

在安全和 实施的实用方法

,最后一旦我们确定

人们可以对他们的饮食做出哪些安全和实际的改变,

我们如何才能改变他们的

行为 这个方向使它

成为默认而不是

例外,仅仅因为你知道

该做什么并不意味着你总是

会这样做有时我们必须

在人们周围放置线索以使其更容易并且

相信与否 可以进行

科学研究

我不知道这段旅程将

如何结束,但这对我来说似乎很清楚

,至少

我们不能像我一样一直责怪我们的超重和

糖尿病患者,

他们中的大多数人实际上都想做正确的事情,

但是 他们必须知道那是什么,

它必须发挥

作用 思想抵抗力足以

回到我们最初的理想开放

思想有勇气在昨天的

想法似乎不起作用时抛弃它们

以及理解

科学真理不是最终的而是

不断发展的

如果肥胖只不过

是代谢疾病的代表,那么坚持这条道路

对我们的患者和科学

更好 几年前我希望我能

再次和那个女人说话我想

告诉她我有多抱歉

我会说你知道作为一名医生我

提供了最好的临床护理

但作为一个人我让你 失望,

你不需要我的判断和

蔑视,你需要我的同情和

同情高于一切你需要一个

愿意考虑的医生也许

你没有让系统失望也许

我所在的系统让

你 如果你现在在看这个我

希望你能原谅我

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