The Panama Papers exposed a huge global problem. Whats next Robert Palmer

[On April 3, 2016 we saw
the largest data leak in history.]

[The Panama Papers exposed
rich and powerful people]

[hiding vast amounts of money
in offshore accounts.]

[What does this mean?]

[We called Robert Palmer
of Global Witness to explain.]

This week, there have been
a whole slew and deluge of stories

coming out from the leak
of 11 million documents

from a Panamanian-based law firm
called Mossack Fonseca.

The release of these papers from Panama
lifts the veil on a tiny piece

of the secretive offshore world.

We get an insight into how clients
and banks and lawyers

go to companies like Mossack Fonseca

and say, “OK, we want
an anonymous company,

can you give us one?”

So you actually get to see the emails,

you get to see the exchanges of messages,

you get to see the mechanics
of how this works,

how this operates.

Now, this has already started
to have pretty immediate repercussions.

The Prime Minister
of Iceland has resigned.

We’ve also had news

that an ally of the brutal
Syrian dictator Bashar Al-Assad

has also got offshore companies.

There’s been allegations
of a $2 billion money trail

that leads back to President
Vladimir Putin of Russia

via his close childhood friend,

who happens to be a top cellist.

And there will be a lot
of rich individuals out there

and others who will be nervous
about the next set of stories

and the next set of leaked documents.

Now, this sounds like the plot
of a spy thriller

or a John Grisham novel.

It seems very distant
from you, me, ordinary people.

Why should we care about this?

But the truth is that if rich
and powerful individuals

are able to keep their money offshore

and not pay the taxes that they should,

it means that there is less money
for vital public services

like healthcare, education, roads.

And that affects all of us.

Now, for my organization Global Witness,

this exposé has been phenomenal.

We have the world’s media
and political leaders

talking about how individuals
can use offshore secrecy

to hide and disguise their assets –

something we have been talking about
and exposing for a decade.

Now, I think a lot of people find
this entire world baffling and confusing,

and hard to understand how
this sort of offshore world works.

I like to think of it a bit
like a Russian doll.

So you can have one company
stacked inside another company,

stacked inside another company,

making it almost impossible
to really understand

who is behind these structures.

It can be very difficult
for law enforcement

or tax authorities,
journalists, civil society

to really understand what’s going on.

I also think it’s interesting

that there’s been less coverage
of this issue in the United States.

And that’s perhaps because
some prominent US people

just haven’t figured
in this exposé, in this scandal.

Now, that’s not because
there are no rich Americans

who are stashing their assets offshore.

It’s just because of the way
in which offshore works,

Mossack Fonseca has fewer
American clients.

I think if we saw leaks
from the Cayman Islands

or even from Delaware
or Wyoming or Nevada,

you would see many more cases
and examples linking back to Americans.

In fact, in a number of US states
you need less information,

you need to provide less
information to get a company

than you do to get a library card.

That sort of secrecy in America
has allowed employees of school districts

to rip off schoolchildren.

It has allowed scammers
to rip off vulnerable investors.

This is the sort of behavior
that affects all of us.

Now, at Global Witness,

we wanted to see what this
actually looked like in practice.

How does this actually work?

So what we did

is we sent in an undercover investigator
to 13 Manhattan law firms.

Our investigator posed
as an African minister

who wanted to move suspect funds
into the United States

to buy a house, a yacht, a jet.

Now, what was truly shocking
was that all but one of those lawyers

provided our investigator with suggestions

on how to move those suspect funds.

These were all preliminary meetings,

and none of the lawyers
took us on as a client

and of course no money moved hands,

but it really shows the problem
with the system.

It’s also important

to not just think about this
as individual cases.

This is not just about
an individual lawyer

who’s spoken to our undercover
investigator and provided suggestions.

It’s not just about
a particular senior politician

who’s been caught up in a scandal.

This is about how a system works,

that entrenches corruption,
tax evasion, poverty and instability.

And in order to tackle this,

we need to change the game.

We need to change the rules of the game

to make this sort of behavior harder.

This may seem like doom and gloom,

like there’s nothing we can do about it,

like nothing has ever changed,

like there will always be rich
and powerful individuals.

But as a natural optimist,

I do see that we are starting
to get some change.

Over the last couple of years,

we’ve seen a real push towards
greater transparency

when it comes to company ownership.

This issue was put on the political agenda

by the UK Prime Minister David Cameron

at a big G8 Summit that was held
in Northern Ireland in 2013.

And since then, the European Union
is going to be creating

central registers at a national level

of who really owns and controls
companies across Europe.

One of the things that is sad is that,
actually, the US is lagging behind.

There’s bipartisan legislation
that had been introduced

in the House and the Senate,

but it isn’t making as much progress
as we’d like to see.

So we’d really want to see
the Panama leaks,

this huge peek into the offshore world,

be used as a way of opening up
in the US and around the world.

For us at Global Witness,
this is a moment for change.

We need ordinary people to get angry

at the way in which people
can hide their identity

behind secret companies.

We need business leaders
to stand up and say,

“Secrecy like this is not
good for business.”

We need political leaders
to recognize the problem,

and to commit to changing the law
to open up this sort of secrecy.

Together, we can end the secrecy

that is currently allowing tax evasion,

corruption, money laundering to flourish.

[在 2016 年 4 月 3 日,我们看到
了历史上最大的数据泄露事件。]

[巴拿马文件揭露了
有钱有势的人]

[将大量资金隐藏
在离岸账户中。]

[这是什么意思?]

[我们打电话
给 Global Witness to explain.]

本周,

来自巴拿马的一家
名为 Mossack Fonseca 的律师事务所的 1100 万份文件被泄露,引发了大量的报道。

这些文件从巴拿马发布,
揭开

了神秘离岸世界一小块的面纱。

我们深入了解客户
、银行和律师如何

去像莫萨克冯赛卡这样的公司

并说,“好的,我们想要
一家匿名公司,

你能给我们一个吗?”

所以你实际上可以看到电子邮件,

你可以看到信息的交换,

你可以看到它
是如何工作的,它是

如何运作的。

现在,这已经
开始产生非常直接的影响。

冰岛总理已辞职。

我们也有消息

称,残暴的
叙利亚独裁者巴沙尔·阿萨德的盟友

也拥有离岸公司。

有指控称
,通过他的儿时好友(恰好是顶级大提琴手),有一笔 20 亿美元的资金

流向了俄罗斯总统
弗拉基米尔·普京

那里会有很多富人

和其他人
会对下一组故事

和下一组泄露的文件感到紧张。

现在,这听起来像是
间谍惊悚片

或约翰格里沙姆小说的情节。

它似乎
离你我这些普通人很遥远。

我们为什么要关心这个?

但事实是,如果有钱
有势的

人能够将他们的钱留在海外,

并且不缴纳他们应该缴纳的税款,

这意味着
用于

医疗、教育、道路等重要公共服务的资金就会减少。

这影响到我们所有人。

现在,对于我的组织 Global Witness 来说,

这次曝光是非凡的。

我们让世界媒体
和政治领导人

谈论个人
如何利用离岸保密

来隐藏和掩饰他们的资产——

这是我们十年来一直在谈论
和揭露的事情。

现在,我想很多人
觉得整个世界都令人费解和困惑

,很难理解
这种离岸世界是如何运作的。

我喜欢把它想象
成一个俄罗斯娃娃。

因此,您可以将一家公司
堆叠在另一家公司内部,

堆叠在另一家公司内部

,几乎
不可能真正了解

这些结构背后的人。

执法部门

或税务机关、
记者、民间社会

很难真正了解正在发生的事情。

我还认为有趣

的是
,美国对这个问题的报道较少。

这可能是因为
一些著名的美国人士

只是没有
在这次曝光中,在这起丑闻中。

现在,这并不是因为
没有富裕的

美国人将资产存放在海外。

只是因为
离岸工作的方式,

莫萨克冯赛卡的
美国客户较少。

我认为,如果我们看到
开曼群岛

甚至特拉华州
、怀俄明州或内华达州的泄密事件,

您会看到更多
与美国人相关的案例和例子。

事实上,在美国的一些州,
你需要更少的信息,

你需要提供更少的
信息来获得一家公司,而

不是你获得一张借书证。

美国的这种保密制度
让学区的雇员

可以敲诈学童。

它使诈骗者
可以骗取脆弱的投资者。


是影响我们所有人的行为。

现在,在 Global Witness,

我们想看看这
在实践中的实际情况。

这实际上是如何工作的?

所以我们所做的

就是派一名卧底调查员
到曼哈顿的 13 家律师事务所。

我们的调查员
冒充一名非洲部长

,他想将可疑资金
转移到

美国购买房屋、游艇、喷气式飞机。

现在,真正令人震惊的
是,除了其中一位律师之外,所有律师都

向我们的调查员提供

了如何转移这些可疑资金的建议。

这些都是初步会议

,没有一个律师
把我们作为委托人

,当然也没有钱转手,

但这确实表明了系统的问题

同样重要

的是不要只将其
视为个别案例。

这不仅仅是关于

与我们的卧底
调查员交谈并提供建议的个人律师。

这不仅仅是关于卷入丑闻
的特定高级

政治家。

这是关于一个系统如何运作,

它根深蒂固的腐败、
逃税、贫困和不稳定。

为了解决这个问题,

我们需要改变游戏规则。

我们需要改变游戏规则,

让这种行为变得更加困难。

这可能看起来像厄运和

悲观,就像我们无能为力,

就像没有任何改变,

就像总会有富有
和有权势的人一样。

但作为一个天生的乐观主义者,

我确实看到我们
开始得到一些改变。

在过去的几年里,

我们看到了

在公司所有权方面提高透明度的真正推动力。

2013 年,

英国首相戴维·卡梅伦 (David Cameron) 在北爱尔兰

举行的 G8 峰会上将这个问题提上了政治议程

从那时起,
欧盟将

在国家层面建立中央登记

册 在欧洲拥有和控制
公司。

可悲的一件事是,
实际上,美国落后了。

众议院和参议院已经提出了两党立法,

但并没有取得
我们希望看到的那么多进展。

所以我们真的很想
看到巴拿马泄密事件,

这种对近海世界的巨大窥视,

被用作
在美国和世界各地开放的一种方式。

对于 Global Witness 的我们来说,
这是改变的时刻。

我们需要普通人对人们

在秘密公司背后隐藏身份的方式感到愤怒。

我们需要商业
领袖站出来说:

“这样的保密
对商业不利。”

我们需要政治
领导人认识到这个问题,

并致力于修改法律
以公开这种秘密。

我们可以一起结束

目前让逃税、

腐败、洗钱猖獗的保密制度。