How will we survive when the population hits 10 billion Charles C. Mann

How are we doing?

No, no, no, by that, I meant,

how are we, homo sapiens “we” …

(Laughter)

doing as a species?

(Laughter)

Now the typical way
to answer that question is this.

You choose some measure
of human physical well-being:

average longevity,
average calories per day,

average income, overall population,
that sort of thing,

and draw a graph of its value over time.

In almost every case,
you get the same result.

The line skitters along
at a low level for millennia,

then rockets up exponentially
in the 19th and 20th century.

Or choose a measure of consumption:

consumption of energy,
consumption of fresh water,

consumption of the world’s photosynthesis,

and draw a graph of its value over time.

In the same way, the line skitters along
at a low level for millennia,

then rockets up exponentially
in the 19th and 20th century.

Biologists have a word for this: outbreak.

An outbreak is when
a population or species

exceeds the bounds of natural selection.

Natural selection ordinarily
keeps populations and species

within roughly defined limits.

Pests, parasites, lack of resources
prevent them from expanding too much.

But every now and then,
a species escapes its bounds.

Crown-of-thorns starfish
in the Indian Ocean,

zebra mussels in the Great Lakes,
spruce budworm here in Canada.

Populations explode,
a hundredfold, a thousandfold,

a millionfold.

So here’s a fundamental
lesson from biology:

outbreaks in nature don’t end well.

(Laughter)

Put a couple of protozoa
into a petri dish full of nutrient goo.

In their natural habitat, soil or water,
their environment constrains them.

In the petri dish, they have
an ocean of breakfast

and no natural enemies.

They eat and reproduce, eat and reproduce,

until bang, they hit
the edge of the petri dish,

at which point they either
drown in their own waste,

starve from lack of resources, or both.

The outbreak ends, always, badly.

Now, from the viewpoint of biology,

you and I are not fundamentally different
than the protozoa in the petri dish.

We’re not special.

All the things that we, in our vanity,
think make us different –

art, science, technology, and so forth,
they don’t matter.

We’re an outbreak species,

we’re going to hit the edge
of the petri dish, simple as that.

Well, the obvious question:
Is this actually true?

Are we in fact doomed
to hit the edge of the petri dish?

I’d like to set aside
this question for a moment

and ask you guys another one.

If we are going to escape biology,
how are we going to do it?

In the year 2050,

there will be almost
10 billion people in the world,

and all of those people will want
the things that you and I want:

nice cars, nice clothes, nice homes,

the odd chunk of Toblerone.

I mean, think of it:
Toblerone for 10 billion people.

How are we going to do this?

How are we going to feed everybody,
get water to everybody,

provide power to everybody,
avoid the worst impacts of climate change?

I’m a science journalist,

and I’ve been asking these questions
to researchers for years,

and in my experience, their answers
fall into two broad categories,

which I call “wizards” and “prophets.”

Wizards, techno-whizzes,

believe that science and technology,
properly applied,

will let us produce
our way out of our dilemmas.

“Be smart, make more,” they say.

“That way, everyone can win.”

Prophets believe close to the opposite.

They see the world as governed
by fundamental ecological processes

with limits that we
transgress to our peril.

“Use less, conserve,” they say.

“Otherwise, everybody’s going to lose.”

Wizards and prophets have been
butting their heads together for decades,

but they both believe that technology
is key to a successful future.

The trouble is, they envision
different types of technology

and different types of futures.

Wizards envision a world of glittering,
hyperefficient megacities

surrounded by vast tracts
of untouched nature,

economies that have
transitioned from atoms to bits,

dematerialized capitalist societies

that no longer depend
on exploiting nature.

Energy, to wizards,
comes from compact nuclear plants;

food from low-footprint farms
with ultraproductive,

genetically modified crops
tended by robots;

water from high-throughput
desalination plants,

which means we no longer
exploit rivers and aquifers.

Wizards envision all 10 billion of us

packed into ultradense
but walkable megacities,

an urbanized world
of maximum human aspiration

and maximum human liberty.

Now, prophets object to every bit of this.

You can’t dematerialize
food and water, they point out.

They say, you can’t eat bits,

and industrial agriculture has already
given us massive soil erosion,

huge coastal dead zones
and ruined soil microbiomes.

And you wizards, you want more of this?

And those giant desalination plants?

You know they generate
equally giant piles of toxic salt

that are basically
impossible to dispose of.

And those megacities you like?

Can you name me
an actually existing megacity

that really exists in the world today,
except for possibly Tokyo,

that isn’t a cesspool
of corruption and inequality?

Instead, prophets pray for a world
of smaller, interconnected communities,

closer to the earth,

a more agrarian world
of maximum human connection

and reduced corporate control.

More people live
in the countryside in this vision,

with power provided by neighborhood-scale
solar and wind installations

that disappear into the background.

Prophets don’t generate water
from giant desalination plants.

They capture it from rainfall,

and they reuse and recycle it endlessly.

And the food comes
from small-scale networks of farms

that focus on trees and tubers

rather than less productive cereals
like wheat and rice.

Above all, though, prophets envision
people changing their habits.

They don’t drive to work,
they take their renewable-powered train.

They don’t take 30-minute
hot showers every morning.

They eat, you know,
like Michael Pollan says,

real food, mostly plants, not too much.

Above all, prophets say
submitting to nature’s restraints

leads to a freer, more democratic,
healthier way of life.

Now, wizards regard all this as hooey.

They see it as a recipe for narrowness,
regression, and global poverty.

Prophet-style agriculture, they say,
only extends the human footprint

and shunts more people
into low-wage agricultural labor.

Those neighborhood-run solar facilities,

they sound great,

but they depend on a technology
that doesn’t exist yet.

They’re a fantasy.

And recycling water? It’s a brake
on growth and development.

Above all, though, wizards object
to the prophets' emphasis

on wide-scale social engineering,

which they see as deeply anti-democratic.

If the history of the last two centuries
was one of unbridled growth,

the history of the coming century
may well be the choice we make

as a species between these two paths.

These are the arguments that will be
resolved, in one way or another,

by our children’s generation,

the generation that will come
into the world of 10 billion.

Now, but wait, by this point,
biologists should be rolling their eyes

so loud you can barely hear me speak.

They should be saying,
all of this, wizards, prophets,

it’s a pipe dream.

It doesn’t matter which illusory path
you think you’re taking.

Outbreaks in nature don’t end well.

I mean, you think the protozoa
see the edge of the petri dish approaching

and say, “Hey guys,
time to change society”?

No. They just let her rip.

That’s what life does,
and we’re part of life.

We’ll do the same thing. Deal with it.

Well, if you’re a follower of Darwin,
you have to take this into consideration.

I mean, the basic counterargument
boils down to: “We’re special.”

How lame is that?

(Laughter)

I mean, we can accumulate
and share knowledge

and use it to guide our future.

Well, are we actually doing this?

Is there any evidence that we’re actually
using our accumulated, shared knowledge

to guarantee our long-term prosperity?

It’s pretty easy to say no.

If you’re a wizard,

and you believe that hyperproductive,
genetically engineered crops

are key to feeding everyone
in tomorrow’s world,

you have to worry that 20 years

of scientists demonstrating
that they are safe to consume

has failed to convince the public
to embrace this technology.

If you’re a prophet

and you believe that key to solving
today’s growing shortage of fresh water

is to stop wasting it,

you have to worry
that cities around the world,

in rich places as well as poor,

routinely lose a quarter
or more of their water

to leaky and contaminated pipes.

I mean, Cape Town, just a little
while ago, almost ran out of water.

Cape Town loses a third
of its water to leaky pipes.

This problem has been
getting worse for decades,

and remarkably little
has been done about it.

If you’re a wizard, and you think
that clean, abundant,

carbon-free nuclear power
is key to fighting climate change,

then you have to worry

that the public willingness
to build nukes is going down.

If you’re a prophet, and you think
that the solution to the same problem

is these neighborhood-run solar facilities
shuttling power back and forth,

you have to worry that no nation
anywhere in the world

has devoted anything like the resources
necessary to develop this technology

and deploy it in the time that we need it.

And if you’re on either side,
wizard or prophet,

you have to worry that, despite
the massive alarm about climate change,

the amount of energy generated every year
from fossil fuels has gone up

by about 30 percent
since the beginning of this century.

So, still think we’re different
than the protozoa?

Still think we’re special?

Actually, it’s even worse than that.

(Laughter)

We’re not in the streets.

No seriously, if there’s a difference
between us and the protozoa,

a difference that matters,

it’s not just our art and science
and technology and so forth –

it’s that we can yell and scream,
we can go out into the streets,

and, over time,
change the way society works,

but we’re not doing it.

Wizards have been arguing
literally for decades

that nuclear power is key
to resolving climate change.

But the first pro-nuke march in history
occurred less than two years ago,

and it was dwarfed by the anti-nuke
marches of the past.

Prophets have been arguing,
again literally for decades,

that conservation is key
to keeping freshwater supplies

without destroying the ecosystems
that generate those freshwater supplies.

But in the history of humankind,
there has never been a street

full of angry protesters
waving signs about leaky pipes.

In fact, most of the political
activity in this sphere

has been wizards and prophets
fighting each other, protesting each other

rather than recognizing that they are,
fundamentally, on the same side.

After all, these people are concerned
about the same thing:

How are we going to make our way
in the world of 10 billion?

The first step towards generating
that necessary social movement,

creating that critical mass and getting
that yelling and screaming going

seems obvious:
wizards and prophets join together.

But how are you going to do this,
given the decades of hostility?

One way might be this:

Each side agrees to accept
the fundamental premises of the other.

Accept that nuclear power
is safe and carbon-free,

and that uranium mines
can be hideously dirty

and that putting large volumes
of toxic waste on rickety trains

and shuttling them around
the countryside is a terrible idea.

To me, this leads rather quickly
to a vision of small,

neighborhood scale, temporary nukes,

nuclear power as a bridge technology
while we develop and deploy renewables.

Or accept that genetically
modified crops are safe

and that industrial agriculture
has caused huge environmental problems.

To me, this leads rather quickly
to a vision of plant scientists

devoting much more of their attention
to tree and tuber crops,

which can be much more
productive than cereals,

use much less water than cereals,
and cause much less erosion than cereals.

These are just ideas
from a random journalist.

I’m sure there’s a hundred better ones
right here in this room.

The main point is,

wizards and prophets working together
have many paths to success.

And success would mean
much more than mere survival,

important though that is.

I mean, if humankind somehow
survives its own outbreak,

if we get food to everybody,
get water to everybody,

get power to everybody,

if we avoid the worst effects
of climate change,

if we somehow safeguard the biome,

it would be amazing.

It would say, I think,

even to a hardened cynic like me,

maybe we really are special.

Thank you.

(Applause)

我们好吗?

不,不,不,我的意思是,

我们,智人“我们”……

(笑声)

作为一个物种,我们过得怎么样?

(笑声)

现在
回答这个问题的典型方式是这样。

你选择一些
衡量人类身体健康状况的指标:

平均寿命、
每天平均卡路里、

平均收入、总人口等等

并绘制其价值随时间变化的图表。

几乎在每种情况下,
您都会得到相同的结果。

几千年来,这条线路在低位徘徊,

然后
在 19 世纪和 20 世纪呈指数级上升。

或者选择一个消耗量度:

能源
消耗量、淡水

消耗量、世界光合作用消耗量,

并绘制其值随时间变化的图表。

同样地,这条线
在几千年的低位徘徊,

然后
在 19 世纪和 20 世纪呈指数级增长。

生物学家对此有一个词:爆发。

爆发是
当种群或物种

超过自然选择的界限时。

自然选择通常
将种群和物种保持

在大致定义的范围内。

害虫、寄生虫、资源匮乏使
它们无法过度扩张。

但是
时不时地,一个物种会逃脱它的界限。 印度洋

的棘冠
海星,

五大湖的斑马贻贝
,加拿大的云杉芽虫。

人口爆炸,
一百倍,一千倍,

一百万倍。

所以这是生物学的一个基本
教训:

自然界的爆发不会有好的结局。

(笑声)

将几个原生动物
放入装满营养粘液的培养皿中。

在它们的自然栖息地、土壤或水中,
它们的环境限制了它们。

在培养皿中,他们有
早餐的海洋

,没有天敌。

它们一边吃一边繁殖,一边吃一边繁殖,

直到砰的一声,它们撞到
培养皿的边缘

,此时它们要么
淹死在自己的废物中,要么

因缺乏资源而挨饿,或两者兼而有之。

爆发总是以糟糕的方式结束。

现在,从生物学的角度来看,

你我
与培养皿中的原生动物并没有根本的不同。

我们并不特别。

我们在虚荣心中认为的所有事物
都使我们与众不同——

艺术、科学、技术等等,
它们并不重要。

我们是一个爆发物种,

我们会碰到培养皿的边缘,就这么
简单。

那么,显而易见的问题
是:这真的是真的吗?

我们真的注定
要走到培养皿的边缘吗?

我想暂时搁置
这个问题

,再问你们一个问题。

如果我们要逃避生物学,
我们要怎么做呢?

到 2050 年,

世界上将有近
100 亿人

,所有这些人都会想要
你我想要的东西:

漂亮的汽车、漂亮的衣服、漂亮的房子

、零星的 Toblerone。

我的意思是,想想看:
为 100 亿人准备的 Toblerone。

我们将如何做到这一点?

我们将如何养活每个人
,为每个人提供水,为每个人

提供电力,
避免气候变化的最坏影响?

我是一名科学记者

,多年来我一直在向研究人员提出这些问题

,根据我的经验,他们的答案
分为两大类

,我称之为“巫师”和“先知”。

奇才、技术高手

相信科学和技术,如果
应用得当,

会让
我们走出困境。

“聪明点,赚更多,”他们说。

“这样一来,每个人都能赢。”

先知们的看法恰恰相反。

他们认为世界是
由基本的生态过程

所支配的,
我们越界就会面临危险。

“少用,节约,”他们说。

“否则,所有人都会输。”

几十年来,巫师和先知一直在争吵,

但他们都认为技术
是成功未来的关键。

问题是,他们设想了
不同类型的技术

和不同类型的未来。

奇才们设想了一个闪闪发光、
效率极高的特大城市的世界,

周围环绕着
大片未受破坏的自然,

经济
从原子转变为比特,

非物质化的资本主义

社会不再依赖
于对自然的剥削。

对奇才来说,能源
来自紧凑型核电站;

来自低占地面积农场的食物,这些农场

种植着
由机器人照料的高产转基因作物;

来自高通量
海水淡化厂的水,

这意味着我们不再
开采河流和含水层。

奇才们设想我们所有的 100 亿人都

挤在超密集
但适合步行的特大城市中,这

是一个
具有最大人类愿望

和最大人类自由的城市化世界。

现在,先知们反对这一切。

他们指出,你不能将食物和水非物质化。

他们说,你不能吃碎片

,工业化农业已经
给我们带来了巨大的水土流失、

巨大的沿海死区
和被破坏的土壤微生物群。

而你们这些巫师,你们想要更多吗?

还有那些巨大的海水淡化厂?

您知道它们会产生
同样巨大的有毒盐堆

,基本上
无法处理。

你喜欢那些特大城市?

你能给我说
一个

真正存在于当今世界上的超大城市吗,
除了可能的东京,

它不是
腐败和不平等的污水池吗?

相反,先知们祈求一个
由更小、相互联系的社区组成的世界,

更接近地球,

一个更加农业的世界
,人与人之间的联系最大化

,企业控制减少。

在这个愿景中,更多的人生活在农村,

社区规模的
太阳能和风能装置

提供的电力消失在背景中。

先知不会
从巨型海水淡化厂产生水。

他们从降雨中捕获它,

然后无休止地重复使用和回收。

食物
来自小型农场网络,这些

农场专注于树木和块茎,

而不是
小麦和大米等产量较低的谷物。

然而,最重要的是,先知设想
人们改变他们的习惯。

他们不开车上班,
他们乘坐可再生能源火车。

他们不会每天早上洗 30 分钟的
热水澡。

他们吃,你知道的,
就像迈克尔·波伦说的那样,

真正的食物,主要是植物,不是太多。

最重要的是,先知说,
顺从自然的束缚

会带来更自由、更民主、
更健康的生活方式。

现在,巫师们认为这一切都是胡扯。

他们将其视为狭隘、
倒退和全球贫困的根源。

他们说,先知式农业
只会扩大人类足迹,

并将更多人分流
到低工资的农业劳动力中。

那些社区经营的太阳能设施

听起来很棒,

但它们依赖于
一种尚不存在的技术。

他们是一个幻想。

和循环水? 这是
对增长和发展的阻碍。

然而,最重要的是,巫师们
反对先知们

对大规模社会工程的强调

,他们认为这是非常反民主的。

如果说过去两个世纪
的历史是肆无忌惮的增长,

那么下个世纪的历史
很可能是我们

作为一个物种在这两条道路之间做出的选择。

这些争论

将由我们

这一代,即将
进入 100 亿世界的一代,以某种方式解决。

现在,但等等,到了这个时候,
生物学家应该翻白眼了

,你几乎听不见我说话。

他们应该说,
所有这一切,巫师、先知,

都是白日梦。

你认为你走的是哪条虚幻的道路并不重要

自然界中的暴发不会有好的结局。

我的意思是,你认为原生动物
看到培养皿的边缘接近

并说,“嘿,伙计们,是
时候改变社会了”?

不,他们只是让她撕裂。

生活就是这样
,我们是生活的一部分。

我们会做同样的事情。 处理它。

好吧,如果你是达尔文的追随者,
你必须考虑到这一点。

我的意思是,基本的反驳
归结为:“我们很特别。”

那是多么的蹩脚?

(笑声)

我的意思是,我们可以积累
和分享知识,

并用它来指导我们的未来。

那么,我们真的在这样做吗?

有没有证据表明我们实际上是在
利用我们积累的、共享的知识

来保证我们的长期繁荣?

说不很容易。

如果你是一个巫师,

并且你相信
高产的基因工程作物

是养活未来世界每个人的关键

你不得不担心 20 年

的科学家
证明它们可以安全食用,

但未能说服
公众接受这一点 技术。

如果您是一位先知,

并且您认为解决
当今日益严重的淡水短缺问题的关键

是停止浪费,

那么您必须
担心世界各地的城市,无论

是富人还是穷人,都会

经常失去四分之一
或更多的淡水。 他们的水

到泄漏和污染的管道。

我的意思是,开普敦,
就在不久前,几乎没水了。

开普敦
三分之一的水因管道漏水而流失。

几十年来,这个问题一直在恶化,

而且对此几乎没有采取任何措施

如果你是一个巫师,并且你
认为清洁、丰富、无

碳的核能
是应对气候变化的关键,

那么你不得不

担心公众
建造核武器的意愿正在下降。

如果您是先知,并且您
认为解决同一问题的方法

是这些邻里运营的太阳能设施
来回穿梭,

那么您必须担心世界上没有

任何国家投入
了发展所需的资源 这项技术

并在我们需要的时候部署它。

如果你站在任何一方,无论是
巫师还是先知,

你不得不担心,尽管
对气候变化发出了巨大的警报,但自本世纪初以来

,化石燃料每年产生的能量增加

了约 30%
.

所以,仍然认为我们
与原生动物不同?

还觉得我们很特别吗?

实际上,情况比这还要糟糕。

(笑声)

我们不在街上。

不认真,如果
我们和原生动物之间

存在差异,一个重要的差异

,不仅仅是我们的艺术和
科学技术等等——

而是我们可以大喊大叫,
我们可以走上街头,

而且, 随着时间的推移,
改变社会的运作方式,

但我们没有这样做。 几十年来,

奇才们一直在争论

核能是
解决气候变化的关键。

但历史上第一次亲核游行
发生在不到两年前,

与过去的反核游行相比相形见绌
。 几十年来

,先知们一直在争论

,保护
是保持淡水供应

而不破坏
产生这些淡水供应的生态系统的关键。

但在人类历史上
,从来没有一条街上

满是愤怒的抗议者
挥舞着关于管道漏水的标语。

事实上,
这一领域的大多数政治活动

都是巫师和先知
互相争斗,互相抗议,

而不是承认他们
从根本上是站在同一边的。

毕竟,这些人
关心的是同一件事:

我们将如何
在 100 亿的世界中前进?

产生必要的社会运动、

创造临界质量
并让大喊大叫继续前进的第一步

似乎很明显:
巫师和先知联合起来。

但是,鉴于数十年的敌意,你将如何做到这一点

一种方式可能是这样:

每一方都同意接受
对方的基本前提。

接受核能
是安全且无碳的

,铀矿
可能脏得可怕

,将
大量有毒废物放在摇摇晃晃的火车上


在乡间穿梭是一个糟糕的主意。

对我来说,这很快就会导致

我们在开发和部署可再生能源的同时,将小型、邻里规模、临时核武器、核电作为桥梁技术的愿景。

或者接受转
基因作物是安全

的,工业化
农业造成了巨大的环境问题。

对我来说,这很快
导致植物科学家

将更多注意力投入
到树木和块茎作物上的愿景,

它们
比谷物高产,

用水比谷物
少得多,造成的侵蚀也比谷物少得多。

这些只是
随机记者的想法。

我敢肯定这个房间里还有一百个更好
的。

主要的一点是,

巫师和先知一起工作
有许多通往成功的道路。

成功
不仅仅意味着生存,

尽管这很重要。

我的意思是,如果人类以某种方式
在自己的爆发中幸存下来,

如果我们为每个人提供食物,为每个人提供
水,为每个人提供

电力,

如果我们避免
气候变化的最坏影响,

如果我们以某种方式保护生物群落,

那将是惊人的。

它会说,我想,

即使对像我这样顽固的愤世嫉俗者来说,

也许我们真的很特别。

谢谢你。

(掌声)