Beyond Empathy Next Steps in Talking About Race

[Music]

laura and i are not really

activists we were too young in the 1960s

when being called a baby boomer was

kind of cute and some would say that

we’re too old

now that we’re in our 60s

and it was not our intention to make

social justice marches a rite of passage

for our grandchildren

but in january 2017

when we joined the women’s march in

nashville we took damon along

it was just a few weeks before his 13th

birthday

in the summer of 2020

after the world witnessed the knee on

the back of a man’s neck

for the last eight minutes and 46

seconds of his life

we we joined a march for racial justice

chelsea wanted to go along it was just

weeks before her

13th birthday i was putting finishing

touches

on a blog post when i first heard the

name of george

floyd that post was about two men

who did not die travis

and his work partner kevin are the are

the two black

furniture delivery workers who were

driving out of a gated community

after making a delivery they were in a

truck

marked with the company name they they

were wearing company uniforms

they were leaving the gated community

as they were about to exit the gate a

car pulled up to prevent their exit

the white driver got out of his car and

began

asking questions which travis did not

did not feel compelled to answer what

are you doing here

why are you here where are you coming

from

all you have to do is just tell me where

you’re going

and if in a few minutes another white

man walked up

and joined the interrogation after about

an

hour the white man the white man who had

received the delivery

vouched for travis and kevin and they

were allowed to leave

what did these white men see when they

encountered

travis and kevin their bias was more

than implicit

all they could see is some something

sinister

and two black men leaving that community

and they felt it was their duty to

apprehend the

apprehend these men as if their white

skin deputized them

with a bad of law enforcement i wrote to

inspire empathy for travis and kevin

i didn’t know that other more tragic

actions

would actually invite that feeling and

the subsequent

subsequent responses empathy was

everywhere that summer

many gained a crash course in empathy

even if only for a moment

a few days or a few weeks

that that some summer i was contacted by

people

people i barely knew people who were

friends of friends

many many of those contact attacks were

focused on

care for me it felt a little strange to

me because my life didn’t feel

any more vulnerable after that infamous

8 minutes and 46 seconds than before

but the marches the calls for policy

change

the drive to process and understand

events

were new and this and they were driven

by empathy

we talk about trying to walk in

another’s shoes

but empathy can fade and it can grow

distorted into something like pity

we can all become weary of social action

when the dust settles we all all go back

into our silos of like people

like-minded

a like ethnically alike ideologically or

whatever

but what are some some everyday ways to

combat injustice

without burning out one starting place

is to cultivate cultivate curiosity

and i mean a petite a particular kind of

curiosity

it is not warriorism warriorism or

culture cultural tourism or demands for

attention

in their legitimate quest to understand

some

people have demanded great emotional

labor from black people

to explain things but there are

legitimate way

legitimate ways to cultivate curiosity

and satisfy it we can educate ourselves

to 2020 exploded with black voices

and allies of all stripes who can lead

the way in

anti-racism keep amplifying them

and keep educating yourself with their

books websites

webinars podcasts films and workshops

and exercise the power of proximity if

we are in

environments of people who are just just

like us

it’s difficult to maximize curiosity but

if we find ways

to be around people who are different

from us

to to work with serve with even play

with

we me we make the most of curiosity

for some of us 2020

ended with a bang december 25th

christmas morning a bomb explo

exploded in downtown nashville we heard

the explosion

although i lived 10 10 miles away from

from downtown

the explosion damaged multiple buildings

and disabled uh communication

throughout tennessee and surrounding

states the investigation quickly

centered on one man

who perished in the bombing

when we saw where the man lived we were

stunned

although the bombing took place 10 miles

from us

the bomber lived only four blocks from

us

i have walked up these steps and

although

although i never met the man i have

knocked on the door

next to his i’ve knocked on the doors of

his

neighbors in in the adjacent cul-de-sac

i was knocking on doors for the u.s

census

and while it was just a job i found

enjoyment

in meeting people especially in our

neighborhood

southeast nashville is home to a grand

array of cultures

and we got to hear people’s stories i

was breeding my curiosity

even while asking prescribed questions

in that cul-de-sac i spoke to a woman

who is a first

generation uh us-born citizen with a

family from guatemala

down the street from me were immigrants

from laos

one naturalized citizen from honduras

stared me down and waited for me to

complete another interview

before approach approaching me and

asking me to interview him

he led me to his apartment where he his

wife

pulled out her phone and activated her

translation app

they were excited to tell their story

and to be counted

as valuable as both empathy and

curiosity

are i think the most important attitude

and practice

to go forward with it is humility

this is especially the case if we are

part of

any dominant culture in our society

this this chosen humility is not based

on

a presumed superiority it must come

from a deep down acknowledgement that

our society rewards certain people

for sin simply simply be being born

with a particular gender sexual

orientation

geographical location economic

situation or ethnicity but each of us

can exercise the humility

that reminds us that no one else

approaches the world in exactly the same

way that we do regardless of who we are

in her book raising white kids dr

jennifer harvey and

her to his parents of white children to

promote what she calls

race consciousness for her race

conscious

parenting involves noticing and naming

race

early and often a few years

ago seven-year-old zoe my white grand

granddaughter spotted dr harvey’s book

when i was preparing for a workshop she

giggled

pipa people sometimes have funny names

for books

this book is called raising white kids

that’s funny so i tried practicing what

dr harvey suggested

do you know do you know what why that

book was written i asked

joey zoe shrugged well because

a lot of a lot of white people think of

themselves as

normal and of everyone else is different

they don’t think about being white i

know you think about it because you have

a black grandfather

and we talk about being black and white

plus

you go to a school where there are a lot

of brown people

and only a few white kids

so you can see yourself as normal and as

different

and you can see your friends as normal

and as different

but a lot of white people can only see

themselves as normal and everyone else

is different

that’s why there’s this book in reality

diversity means that we are all normal

and we are all different

different inclusion means that we

treat each person as unique

we all want to be counted but we are

unique in our combination of

cultural identities it might seem

counterintuitive

but one way to develop cultural humility

is to get in touch with our own cultural

identities

dr michael emerson gives his his

university students an

interesting assignment he says for the

next 24 hours

any time you refer to someone who is

white

identify them as white so if you’re

telling someone about your professor

say my white professor if you if you’re

talking about your friend say my white

friend

when the students report back dr emerson

sees a familiar pattern

the students who consider themselves

white struggle with this exercise

it is uncomfortable for them many of

them have

never thought about about their

whiteness

the students of color seem to have less

difficulty

but each of us is different a few years

ago

i gathered some of my white

grandchildren ages three to ten

to to read a holiday story it was

maggie’s

gift by katherine patterson

the story features mr mcgee a lonely

and cranky older widower who who agrees

to take in eight-year-old an

eight-year-old girl

and her five-year-old brother who

who have to vacate their children’s home

on christmas eve

as he’s on the phone discussing

arrangements with miss trainer from from

the children’s home

he asks by the way by the way

what color are the children white she

says

does it matter yes he says

i have to know know what color to get

the doll

i’ve read this story aloud on many

occasions but this time this passage

struck me

i had dr harvey’s advice in in the back

of my mind

name race early and often

i paused the reading to explain to my

white grandchildren

when this story was written most people

believed

that white people should have only white

baby dolls and black people or brown

people

should have black or brown dolls

ten-year-old chelsea

picked up the narrative yeah in those

days

black people and white people weren’t

allowed to be together

like if you you were white and you

wanted to marry someone who is black

you couldn’t martin luther king said

that you can marry whoever you want

the color doesn’t matter it’s like

chocolate ice cream

and vanilla you can mix them together

and then you have caramel i know

not the perfect analogy or analysis but

she was ten

and how about that heart her loving

and lovely sentiment came through

then six-year-old zoe chimed in

my baby doll is brown i know

i said and i know because

the day she broke the day she brought

that baby doll home

from from the dollar store she

introduced us

she said pipa this is my baby

and she’s like you i named her moana

i’ll call her my baby but you call her

moana

she’s like you i was gonna get the white

one

but it was too much i pushed a little

was the white one the same kind of doll

yeah she said

but this one was almost free the white

one

was ten dollars this is this is one way

to get in touch with our own racial

stories

name race in our own lives from the

from the beginning of when we were aware

of race

once we become curious about our own

lives

we can begin genuine curiosity

about others and begin to be to develop

humility

i didn’t really want to tell my own

story but it crept

up on me it was from my freshman

year intramural basketball had begun

and although i’ve never excelled in any

sports

i have long loved basketball i joined

the matthews hall

team and it wasn’t long before my

inability

my inabilities were discovered perhaps

to cope

my teammates came up with the nickname

pearl

in homage to earl the pearl monroe who

is the spectacular play

spectacular player in his prime with the

new york knicks

the nickname was meant to be both

affectionate

and insulting and coming from guys

who were all taller whiter and richer

than me

there was a racial element that was

meant to be ironic

i knew all of this the joke of course

was that the worst basketball player on

our team

was the only black guy my offense

defense or non-offense

is not the primary issue my indignation

is not the problem

sometimes impact goes beyond offense

sometimes impact goes right to

self-concept

and this is why calls for racial justice

or or any justice

are not just about me my feelings or my

indignation

they are about treating our fellow human

beings

decently humility is never a destination

it’s

never a destination it is an attitude

an awareness a process and a practice

i’ve said in the past that race is not

real but

it does matter what i mean is is

the idea of race as we commonly refer to

it

is not scientifically verifiable but it

is

uh socially undeniable to address the

skeptics

i would would i would want to

speak to a young black man who was out

jogging

or a young black woman who was sleeping

at home

or a black man whose face was pressed

against the pavement

for 8 minutes and 46 seconds those

people are not available

but we have access to activists scholars

practitioners

and policy makers and more than that we

all have access to our own stories

and and the stories of those around us

an ancient text promotes acted justly

loving kindness and walking humbly

also develop empathy

cultivate curiosity practice

humility these actions will not

single-handedly

give us a just and inclusive society

but we cannot approach inclusion and

justice

without them

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劳拉和我并不是真正的

激进主义者,我们在 1960 年代还太年轻,

当时被称为婴儿潮一代

有点可爱,有些人会说

我们已经 60 多岁了,

现在我们太老了

,这不是我们的 打算让

社会正义游行成为我们孙子孙女的成年礼,

但在 2017 年 1 月,

当我们参加纳什维尔的妇女游行时,

我们带着达蒙

在 2020 年夏天他 13 岁生日前几周

,全世界都目睹了膝盖

在一个男人生命

的最后 8 分 46

秒的脖子后面,

我们参加了一场争取种族正义的游行

切尔西想要参加 就

在她

13 岁生日的前几周,我正在

为一篇博客文章做最后润色时 第一次听到

乔治

弗洛伊德的名字那个帖子是关于两个

没有死的男人特拉维斯

和他的工作伙伴凯文

是两个黑人

家具送货工人,他们在送货后

开车离开一个封闭的社区

他们w 在一辆

标有公司名称的卡车上,

他们穿着公司制服

,他们正要离开封闭式社区,当他们即将离开大门时,

一辆汽车停下来阻止他们

离开,白人司机下车并

开始

询问哪些问题 travis 并

没有觉得有必要回答

你在这里做什么你

为什么在这里你

来自哪里你所要做的就是告诉我

你要去

哪里如果几分钟后另一个

白人走上

来加入 大约

一个

小时后的审讯 白人 收到快递的白人

为 travis 和 kevin 担保,他们

被允许离开

这些白人

遇到

travis 和 kevin 时看到了什么 他们的偏见

不仅仅是他们所能看到的 是什么

邪恶的东西

,两个黑人离开了那个社区

,他们认为逮捕这些人是他们的责任,

就好像他们的白

皮肤代表了他们

的坏人一样 我写信是为了

激发对 travis 和 kevin 的同情,

我不知道其他更悲惨的

行为

实际上会引起这种感觉,

随后的反应

在那个夏天到处都是同情,

许多人获得了同情速成课程,

即使只是

片刻 几天或几周

,那个夏天的某个夏天,我被一些

我几乎不认识的人联系,他们是

朋友的朋友,

很多这些接触攻击都

集中在

关心我上,这对我来说有点奇怪,

因为我的生活没有

在那臭名昭著的

8 分 46 秒之后感觉比以前更脆弱,

但游行呼吁政策

改变

处理和理解事件的动力

是新的,这和他们是

由同理心驱动的

可能会褪色,也可能会

扭曲成怜悯之类的东西

当尘埃落定时,我们都会厌倦社会行动 我们都会

回到我们的孤岛

志同道合的人在意识形态上或其他种族上相似,

但有一些日常方法可以在

不烧毁一个起点的情况下与不公正作斗争,

那就是

培养好奇心 文化旅游或

在他们合法寻求了解

某些

人时需要关注 要求黑人付出巨大的情感

劳动

来解释事情,但有

合法的方式

合法的方式来培养好奇心

并满足它 我们可以自我教育

到 2020 年,黑人的声音

和盟友爆炸 在所有能够引领

反种族主义的人中,不断扩大他们

并通过他们的书籍不断地自我教育

网站

网络研讨会 播客 电影

和讲习班 如果

我们处于与

我们一样的人的环境中,

那么很难 最大限度地提高好奇心,但

如果我们找到方法

与那些 与我们不同,

我们一起工作,甚至与我们一起玩耍

我们充分利用

了我们中的一些人的好奇心 2020 年

以一声巨响结束 12 月 25 日

圣诞节早上,

炸弹在纳什维尔市中心

爆炸,

尽管我住在 10 10 英里,但我们听到了爆炸声

远离市中心

的爆炸破坏了田纳西州

和周边各州的多座建筑物,导致通讯中断。

调查迅速

集中在一名

死于爆炸的男子身上,

当我们看到该男子居住的地方时,我们

惊呆了,

尽管爆炸发生在距离我们 10 英里的地方

轰炸机住在离我们只有四个街区的地方,

我走上这些台阶,

虽然我从未见过那个人,但

我敲过他旁边的门,但我敲过

邻居的门,在相邻的死胡同里,

我 正在为美国人口普查敲门

,虽然这只是一份工作,但我发现

在结识人时很享受,尤其是在我们

附近的

纳什维尔东南部是家 到了

各种各样的文化中

,我们听到了人们的故事

我培养了我的好奇心,

即使在那个死胡同里问了规定的问题

我和一个女人说话

街对面是来自老挝的移民

一个来自洪都拉斯的归化公民

盯着我看,等我

完成另一次采访,

然后走近我,

让我采访他,

他带我到他的公寓,他的妻子在那里

拿出手机, 激活了她的

翻译应用程序,

他们很高兴能讲述他们的故事

,并被

视为与同理心和好奇心一样有价值,

我认为最重要的态度

和实践

是谦逊

,如果我们是任何主导者的一部分,情况尤其如此

我们社会的文化

这种选择的谦逊不是

基于假定的优越性,它必须

来自内心深处的承认,即

我们的社会一定会奖励 在

为罪的人中,仅仅是生来就

具有特定的性别、

性取向、

地理位置、经济

状况或种族,但我们每个人都

可以表现出谦逊

,这提醒我们,没有人

以与我们完全相同的方式接近世界,

无论是谁 我们

在她的书中将白人孩子

jennifer harvey 博士和

她抚养给他的白人孩子的父母,以

促进她所谓的

种族意识,因为她的种族

意识

育儿包括尽早注意到和命名

种族,

而且通常是几年

前 7 岁的 zoe my 白人

孙女在我准备研讨会时发现了哈维博士的书

咯咯地笑

琵琶人们有时会为书取有趣的名字

这本书被称为抚养白人孩子

这很有趣所以我试着练习

哈维博士的建议

你知道吗 你知道为什么

书是写的,我问

乔伊佐伊耸了耸肩,

因为很多白人认为

自己是

正常的,而且是 ev 其他人不同,

他们不会考虑成为白人

白人孩子,

所以你可以看到自己是正常的和

不同的

,你可以看到你的朋友是正常的

和不同的,

但是很多白人只能认为

自己是正常的,其他人

都是不同的

,这就是为什么这本书在现实中的

多样性意味着 我们都是正常的

,我们都是不同的

不同的包容意味着我们

将每个人视为独一无二的

我们都希望被重视,但我们

在文化身份的组合中是独一无二的

这可能看起来

违反直觉,

但培养文化谦逊的一种方法

是进入 接触我们自己的文化

身份

迈克尔·爱默生博士给他的

大学生一个

有趣的任务,他说

接下来的 24

小时内,只要你提到某人 是

白人

将他们识别为白人 所以如果你要

告诉别人你的教授

就说我的白人教授 如果你在

谈论你的朋友 就说我的白人

朋友

当学生们汇报时 艾默生博士

看到了一个熟悉的模式

那些认为自己的学生

白人与这项运动的斗争

这对他们来说很不舒服 他们中的许多

从来没有考虑过他们的白人

有色人种的学生似乎没有那么

困难,

但我们每个人都是不同的 几年

我收集了一些

三到十岁的白人孙子

读一个假日故事,这是

凯瑟琳帕特森

送给

麦吉的礼物 故事的主角是麦吉先生,一个孤独

而脾气暴躁的年长鳏夫,他

同意收留一个

八岁的女孩

和她五岁的弟弟

谁必须在平安夜搬出他们的孩子的家

因为他正在电话中

来自儿童之家的教练小姐讨论安排

他顺便问

一下 孩子们的颜色是白色的 她

这有关系吗 他说

我必须知道买什么颜色

的娃娃

我很早就想到了

名字比赛,

我经常暂停阅读,向我的

白人孙子解释

这个故事写这个故事时,大多数人

认为白人应该只有白色

婴儿娃娃,而黑人或棕色

应该有十年后的黑色或棕色娃娃

-老切尔西

接受了这个故事,是的,在那些

日子里,

黑人和白人

不允许在一起,

就像如果你是白人,你

想嫁给一个黑人,

你不能马丁路德金

说你可以结婚 无论你想要什么

颜色都无所谓,就像

巧克力冰淇淋

和香草,你可以把它们混合在一起

,然后你就有焦糖,我

不知道完美的类比或分析,但

她十岁

,那个 hea 怎么样 rt 她的爱

和可爱的情感流露出来,

然后六岁的 zoe 对

我的娃娃说是棕色的

她说琵琶这是我的

宝贝 她和你一样 我给她取名为 moana

我会称她为我的宝贝 但你称她为

moana

她就像你一样 我会得到白色的

但它太多了我推了一点

是白色的 同一种玩偶,

是的,她说,

但这个几乎是免费的,白色的

是十美元,这是一种

从我们一开始就与我们自己的种族故事联系的方式。

意识到种族

一旦我们对自己的生活感到好奇,

我们就可以开始对他人产生真正的好奇心

,并开始变得

谦逊

我并不想讲述我自己的

故事,但它悄悄发生

在我身上,那是我大一的

校内篮球 已经开始了

,虽然我已经 从来没有在任何运动中表现出色

我一直很喜欢篮球 我加入

了马修斯大厅

队 不久之后我的

能被发现 我的无能也许是

为了应付

我的队友想出了珍珠的绰号

向伯爵珍珠门

罗致敬 出色的发挥

出色的球员在他的巅峰时期

在纽约尼克斯队

这个绰号既是

深情的,

也是侮辱性的,来自比我

更高、更白、更富有的人

有一个种族因素,

我知道所有这些都是讽刺的 这个笑话当然

是我们队中最糟糕的篮球运动员

是唯一的黑人我的进攻

防守或非进攻

不是主要问题我的愤怒

不是问题

有时影响超越进攻

有时影响与

自我概念有关

这就是为什么呼吁种族正义

或任何

正义不仅仅是关于我我的感受或我的

愤慨,

它们是关于对待我们的人类

同胞 gs

体面的谦逊从来都不是目的地

从来都不是目的地 它是一种态度

一种意识 一种过程和一种实践

我过去说过种族不是

真实的,但

它确实重要 我的意思

是我们通常的种族观念 指

不是科学可验证的,但它

社会不可否认的解决

怀疑论者

我希望我想

和一个正在

慢跑

的年轻黑人或一个在家睡觉的年轻黑人女性

或一个脸色苍白的黑人交谈 被

压在人行道

上 8 分 46 秒,那些

人不可用,

但我们可以接触到活动家、学者、

从业者

和政策制定者,不仅如此,我们

都可以接触到我们自己

的故事和我们周围人的故事,

一个古老的文本 提倡行事公正

仁慈和谦逊

也培养同理心

培养好奇心 练习

谦逊 这些行为不会

单枪匹马地

给我们一个公正和包容的社会,

而是 没有他们,我们就无法接近包容和

正义