Racism has a cost for everyone Heather C. McGhee

I am a public policy wonk.

I investigate data that points to problems
in the American economy –

problems like rising household debt,

declining wages and benefits,

shortfalls in public revenue.

And I try to pinpoint solutions

to make our economy
more prosperous for more people.

I geek out about tax policy

and infrastructure investments,

and I get really excited

by a gracefully designed
regulatory regime.

(Laughter)

These are the kinds of topics
that I was talking about

on a public television
live call-in show in August of 2016.

I was about halfway through the program

when a man called in,

identified as Gary from North Carolina

and he said …

“I’m a white male, and I’m prejudiced.”

He then went on to detail his prejudice,

talking about black men and gangs

and drugs and crime.

But then he said something
that I’ll never forget.

He said, “But I want to change.

And I want to know what I can do
to become a better American.”

Now remember, my career
is about economic policy,

as translated into dollars and cents

not personal thoughts and feelings.

But when I opened my mouth
to respond to this man on live television,

the most surprising words came out.

I said …

“Thank you.”

I thanked him for admitting his prejudice,

for wanting to change
and for knowing, somehow,

that that would make him
a better American.

The exchange between Gary
and me went viral.

It’s been viewed over eight million times

and inspired waves
of social media commentary

and news coverage.

And I think people were surprised

that a black woman
would show such compassion

for a prejudiced white man,

and they were surprised
that a white man would admit his bias

on national television.

Not long after Gary and my viral moment,

we met in person.

He said that he had taken my advice.

He said that my words had been
like someone wiped the dust from a window

and let the light in.

Over the years,
Gary and I have become friends.

And Gary would tell you
that I’ve taught him a lot

about systemic racism in America
and public policy.

But I’ve learned a lot from Gary, too.

And the biggest lesson for me

has been that Gary’s prejudice
has caused him to suffer.

Fear, anxiety, isolation.

And it’s made me rethink

many of the economic problems
I’ve been focusing on

my entire career.

I wondered,

is it possible that our society’s racism

has likewise been backfiring
on the very same people

set up to benefit from privilege?

Driven by this question,

I’ve spent the past few years
traveling the country,

researching and writing a book.

My conclusion?

Racism leads to bad policymaking.

It’s making our economy worse.

And not just in ways
that disadvantage people of color.

It turns out it’s not a zero sum.

Racism is bad for white people, too.

Take, for example,

America’s underinvestment
in our public goods,

the things that we all need,
that we share in common –

our schools and roads and bridges.

Our infrastructure gets a D plus

from the American Society
of Civil Engineers,

and we invest less per capita
than almost every other advanced nation.

But it wasn’t always this way.

I traveled to Montgomery, Alabama,

and there, I saw how racism
can destroy a public good

and the public will to support it.

In the 1930s and ’40s,

the United States went on a nationwide
building boom of public amenities

funded by tax dollars,

which in Montgomery, Alabama,
included the Oak Park pool,

which was the grandest one for miles.

You know, back then,
people didn’t have air conditioners,

and so they spent their hot summer days

in a steady rotation
of sunning and splashing

and then cooling off
under a ring of nearby trees.

It was the meeting place for the town.

Except the Oak Park pool,

though it was funded
by all of Montgomery citizens,

was for whites only.

When a federal court
finally deemed this unconstitutional,

the reaction of the town
council was swift.

Effective January 1, 1959,

they decided they would
drain the public pool

rather than let black families swim, too.

This destruction of public goods

was replicated across the country

in towns not just in the South.

Towns closed their public parks,
pools and schools,

all in response to desegregation orders,

all throughout the 1960s.

In Montgomery, they shut down
the entire Parks Department

for a decade.

They closed the recreation centers,

they even sold off the animals in the zoo.

Today, you can walk
the grounds of Oak Park, as I did,

but very few people do.

They never rebuilt the pool.

Racism has a cost for everyone.

I remember having that same thought
on September 15, 2008,

when I learned the breaking news
that Lehman Brothers was collapsing.

Now Lehman was,

like the other financial firms
that would go under in the coming days,

done in by overexposure
to a toxic financial instrument

based on something
that used to be simple and safe –

a 30-year fixed-rate home loan.

But the mortgages at the center
and the root of the financial crisis

had strange new terms.

And they were developed
and aggressively marketed for years

in black and brown
middle-class communities,

like the one that I visited
when I met a homeowner named Glenn.

Glenn had owned a home

on a leafy street in the Mount Pleasant
neighborhood of Cleveland

for over a decade.

But when I met him,
he was near foreclosure.

Like nearly all of his neighbors,

he’d received a knock on the door

from a broker promising
to refinance his mortgage.

But what the broker didn’t tell him
was that this was a new kind of mortgage.

A mortgage with an inflated interest rate,

and a balloon payment

and a prepayment penalty
if he tried to get out of it.

Now, the common misperception,

then and still today,

is that people like Glenn were buying
properties they couldn’t afford.

That they themselves were risky borrowers.

I saw how this stereotype
made it harder for policymakers

to see the crisis for what it was

back when we still had time to stop it.

But that’s all it was.

A stereotype.

The majority of subprime mortgages
went to people who had good credit,

like Glenn.

And African Americans and Latinos
were three times as likely –

even if they had good credit –

than white people,
to get sold these toxic loans.

The problem wasn’t the borrower –

the problem was the loan.

After the crash,

most of the nation’s big lenders,
from Wells Fargo to Countrywide,

would go on to be fined
for racial discrimination.

But that realization came too late.

These loans, superprofitable
for the lenders

but designed to fail for the borrowers,

spread out past the confines

of black and brown
neighborhoods like Glenn’s

and into the wider,
whiter mortgage market.

All of the nation’s big Wall Street firms
bet on these loans.

At its peak,

one out of every five mortgages
in the country was in this mold,

and the crisis,

the crisis that my colleagues
and I saw coming …

would go on to cost us all.

Nineteen trillion in lost wealth.

Pensions, home equity, savings.

Eight million jobs vanished.

A home-ownership rate
that has never recovered.

My years of advocating in vain
for homeowners like Glenn

left me convinced:

we would not have had a financial crisis
if it weren’t for racism.

In 2017, I traveled to Mississippi,

where a group of auto-factory workers
was trying to organize into a union.

Now the benefits they were fighting for –

higher pay, better health care coverage,

a real pension –

they would have helped
everybody at the plant.

But in person after person
that I talked to –

white, black, for the union,
against the union –

race kept coming up.

A white man named Joey put it this way.

He said,

“White workers think I ain’t voting yes
if the blacks are voting yes.

If the blacks are for it, I’m against it.”

A white man named Chip told me,

“The idea is that if you
uplift black people,

you’re downing white people.”

It’s like the world’s got
this crab-in-a-barrel mentality.

Now, the union vote failed.

Wages at the plant are still lower
than their unionized peers',

and people there still worry
about their health care.

You know, it’s tempting, perhaps,

to focus on the prejudiced attitudes

of the men and the workers
that I heard in Mississippi.

But I’m more interested
in holding accountable

the people who are selling
racist ideas for their profit

than those who are desperate
enough to buy it.

My travels also took me to places

where I saw, however,
that it doesn’t have to be this way.

I went to Maine,
the whitest state in the nation,

the oldest,

where there are more deaths
every year than births,

and I went to this dying
mill town called Lewiston

that is being revitalized by new people –

mostly African, mostly Muslim,

immigrants and refugees.

There, I met a woman named Cecile,

whose parents had been part
of the last wave of new people

to come to Lewiston.

These are French-Canadian millworkers
at the turn of the century.

Cecile is retired, but she had found
a new purpose in life,

by organizing Congolese refugees

to join with the white retirees
at the Franco Heritage Center.

(Laughter)

These men and women from the Congo

were helping these retirees
remember the French

that they hadn’t spoken
since their childhoods.

And together, these two communities
helped each other feel at home.

You know, for all the political talk

about the newcomers
being a drain on the town,

a bipartisan think tank found
that the local refugee community there

created 40 million dollars in tax revenue,

and 130 million in income.

And I talked to the town administrator,

who was boasting about the fact
that Lewiston was building a new school,

when all the rest of towns
like theirs in Maine

was closing them.

You know, it costs us so much
to remain divided.

This zero-sum thinking,

that’s what’s good for one group
has to come at the expense of another,

it’s what’s gotten us into this mess.

I believe it’s time to reject
that old paradigm

and realize that our fates are linked.

An injury to one is an injury to all.

You know, we have a choice.

Our nation was founded
on a belief in a hierarchy of human value.

But we are about to be a country
with no racial majority.

So we can keep pretending
like we’re not all on the same team.

We can keep sabotaging our success

and hamstringing our own players.

Or we can let the proximity
of so much difference

reveal our common humanity.

And we can finally invest
in our greatest asset.

Our people.

All of our people.

Thank you.

(Applause)

我是一个公共政策专家。

我调查了指向
美国经济问题的数据——

诸如家庭债务上升、

工资和福利下降

、公共收入短缺等问题。

我试图找出解决

方案,让我们的经济
对更多人来说更加繁荣。

我热衷于税收政策

和基础设施投资

,我

对精心设计的
监管制度感到非常兴奋。

(笑声)

这些是

在 2016 年 8 月的一个公共电视直播电话节目

中谈论的话题。当我在节目进行到一半

时,一位

名叫加里的来自北卡罗来纳州的男子打来电话

,他说 ……

“我是一个白人男性,我有偏见。”

然后他继续详述他的偏见,

谈论黑人、帮派

、毒品和犯罪。

但后来他说了一句
我永远不会忘记的话。

他说,“但我想改变。

我想知道我能做些什么
来成为一个更好的美国人。”

现在请记住,我的职业
是关于经济政策的,它

被转化为美元和美分,

而不是个人的想法和感受。

但是当我
在电视直播中张开嘴回应这个人时

,最令人惊讶的话就出来了。

我说……

“谢谢。”

我感谢他承认自己的偏见

,想要改变
,并以某种方式

知道这将使他
成为一个更好的美国人。

加里和我之间的交流
迅速传播开来。

它的浏览量已超过 800 万次,

并引发
了社交媒体评论

和新闻报道的浪潮。

我认为人们对

一个黑人女性

会对一个有偏见的白人表现出如此同情心

感到惊讶,他们对
一个白人会在国家电视台承认自己的偏见感到惊讶

在加里和我的病毒时刻之后不久,

我们亲自见面了。

他说他接受了我的建议。

他说我的话
就像有人擦掉窗户上的灰尘

,让光线进来。

这些年来,
加里和我已经成为朋友。

加里会告诉你
,我教了他很多

关于美国系统性种族主义
和公共政策的知识。

但我也从加里那里学到了很多东西。

对我来说最大的教训

是加里的
偏见使他受苦。

恐惧、焦虑、孤立。

这让我重新思考

我整个职业生涯一直关注的许多经济问题。

我想知道

,我们社会的种族主义有没有可能

同样对那些

为了从特权中受益的人产生反作用?

在这个问题的驱使下,

我在过去的几年里一直
在全国各地旅行,

研究和写一本书。

我的结论?

种族主义导致糟糕的决策。

它使我们的经济变得更糟。

而且不仅仅是以
不利于有色人种的方式。

事实证明,这不是零和。

种族主义对白人也不利。

举个例子,

美国
对我们的公共产品

、我们都需要的
、我们共有的东西——

我们的学校、道路和桥梁——投资不足。

我们的基础设施

获得了美国
土木工程师协会的 D 加分,

而且我们的人均投资
比几乎所有其他发达国家都要少。

但并不总是这样。

我去了阿拉巴马州的蒙哥马利

,在那里,我看到了种族主义
如何破坏公共产品

以及公众支持它的意愿。

在 1930 年代和 40 年代

,美国在全国范围
内掀起了由税收资助的公共设施建设热潮

在阿拉巴马州的蒙哥马利,其中
包括

数英里内最大的橡树公园游泳池。

要知道,那时候的
人们还没有空调

,所以他们在炎热的夏日

里,不断
地晒太阳、泼水

,然后
在附近的一圈树下降温。

这是镇上的聚会场所。

除了橡树公园游泳池,

虽然它是
由所有蒙哥马利市民资助的

,但它只供白人使用。

当联邦法院
最终认定这违宪时,


议会的反应迅速。

自 1959 年 1 月 1 日起,

他们决定
将公共游泳池的水排干,

而不是让黑人家庭也游泳。

这种对公共产品的破坏

在全国各地

的城镇中被复制,而不仅仅是在南方。 在整个 1960 年代,

城镇关闭了他们的公园、
游泳池和学校

,所有这些都是为了响应取消种族隔离令

在蒙哥马利,他们关闭
了整个公园

部门十年。

他们关闭了娱乐中心,

他们甚至卖掉了动物园里的动物。

今天,你可以
像我一样在橡树公园的场地上漫步,

但很少有人这样做。

他们从未重建过游泳池。

种族主义对每个人都有代价。

我记得
在 2008 年 9 月 15 日,

当我得知雷曼兄弟即将倒闭的突发新闻时,我也有同样的想法

现在,雷曼兄弟和未来几天将

倒闭的其他金融公司一样

,通过过度暴露
于一种

基于
过去简单而安全的东西—

—30年期固定利率住房贷款——的有毒金融工具而陷入困境。

但处于
金融危机中心和根源的抵押贷款

有了奇怪的新术语。

多年来

,它们在黑人和棕色的
中产阶级社区中被开发和积极推销,

就像
我遇到一位名叫格伦的房主时访问的那个社区一样。 十多年来,

格伦

在克利夫兰芒特普莱森特社区的一条绿树成荫的街道上拥有一所房子

但是当我遇到他时,
他已经接近丧失抵押品赎回权了。

像他几乎所有的邻居一样,

他接到了一位经纪人敲门,

承诺
为他的抵押贷款再融资。

但经纪人没有告诉他的
是,这是一种新型抵押贷款。

一个利率高的抵押贷款,

如果他试图摆脱它,他会支付巨额付款和预付罚款。

现在,

当时和今天仍然普遍存在的误解

是,像格伦这样的人正在购买
他们买不起的房产。

他们本身就是有风险的借款人。

我看到了这种刻板印象如何
让政策制定者

更难看到危机

在我们还有时间阻止它的时候又回来了。

但仅此而已。

刻板印象。

大多数次级抵押贷款
都流向了像格伦这样信用良好的人

非裔美国人和拉丁美洲
人——

即使他们有良好的信用——

获得这些有毒贷款的可能性是白人的三倍。

问题不在于借款人

——问题在于贷款。

事故发生后


从富国银行(Wells Fargo)到 Countrywide,美国大多数大银行

都将继续因种族歧视而被罚款

但这种认识来得太晚了。

这些贷款
对放贷人来说是超级有利可图的,

但对借款人来说却是失败的,这些贷款

扩散到了格伦

等黑人和棕色社区的范围之外,

进入了更广泛、
更白人的抵押贷款市场。

全国所有大型华尔街公司都
押注在这些贷款上。

在鼎盛时期,

该国每五个抵押贷款中就有一个
处于这种模式,

危机,我和我的同事
看到即将到来的危机……

将继续让我们所有人付出代价。

损失了 19 万亿的财富。

养老金,房屋净值,储蓄。

八百万个工作岗位消失了。

从未恢复的房屋拥有率。

我多年来为格伦这样的房主辩护,但徒劳无功
,这

让我深信:如果不是种族主义,

我们就不会发生金融危机

2017 年,我前往密西西比州

,一群汽车厂工人
正试图组织工会。

现在他们争取的福利——

更高的工资、更好的医疗保险

、真正的养老金——

他们本来可以帮助
工厂里的每个人。

但是与我交谈的一个人接一个
人——

白人,黑人,支持工会,
反对工会——

种族不断出现。

一个名叫乔伊的白人是这样说的。

他说,

“如果黑人投赞成票,白人工人认为我不会
投赞成票。如果黑人赞成

,我反对。”

一个名叫奇普的白人告诉我,

“这个想法是,如果你
提升黑人,

你就是在贬低白人。”

这就像世界上有
这种螃蟹在桶中的心态。

现在,工会投票失败了。

工厂的工资仍然
低于工会同龄

人,那里的人们仍然
担心他们的医疗保健。

你知道,我在密西西比州听到的男人和工人

的偏见态度也许很诱人

但我更感兴趣
的是追究

那些为牟利而兜售种族主义思想的人的责任,而

不是那些
急于购买它的人。

我的旅行也把我带到了

我看到的地方,然而
,它不必是这样的。

我去了缅因州,
美国最白的州,

也是最古老的州,

那里每年的死亡人数比出生人数还多

,我去了这个垂死的
磨坊小镇,名叫刘易斯顿

,正在被新人振兴——

主要是非洲人,主要是穆斯林,

移民和难民。

在那里,我遇到了一位名叫塞西尔的女士,

她的父母
是最后一批来到刘易斯顿的新人中的一员

这些是世纪之交的法裔加拿大磨坊工人

塞西尔已经退休,但她找到
了新的生活目标

,她组织刚果难民

加入
佛朗哥遗产中心的白人退休人员。

(笑声)

这些来自刚果的男人和女人

正在帮助这些退休人员

记住他们从小就不会说的法语

这两个社区一起
帮助彼此感到宾至如归。

你知道,对于所有

关于新移民
成为城镇流失的政治言论,

一个两党智囊团
发现当地难民社区

创造了 4000 万美元的税收

和 1.3 亿美元的收入。

我和镇长谈了谈,


吹嘘刘易斯顿正在建造一所新学校,

而缅因州其他所有像他们一样的城镇都

在关闭它们。

你知道,
保持分裂的代价太大了。

这种零和思维,

这就是对一个群体有益的东西
必须以牺牲另一个群体为代价,

这就是让我们陷入困境的原因。

我相信是时候
摒弃旧范式

,认识到我们的命运是相互关联的。

对一个人的伤害就是对所有人的伤害。

你知道,我们有一个选择。

我们的国家建立
在对人类价值等级的信念之上。

但我们即将成为一个
没有种族多数的国家。

所以我们可以继续
假装我们并不都在同一个团队中。

我们可以继续破坏我们的成功

并阻碍我们自己的球员。

或者我们可以让
如此巨大的差异的接近

揭示我们共同的人性。

我们终于可以投资
于我们最大的资产。

我们的人。

我们所有的人。

谢谢你。

(掌声)