Find out the two friends you never knew you had

[Music]

it is a beautiful

summer evening

in

new haven connecticut

close to yale university in an

auditorium

just like this

and it’s packed with about 350 people

and it is a magical evening

because it is a celebration of a program

of that we were all part of we were

graduating and we could bring our family

and friends and it was a very exciting

evening

so

in this magical evening i decided to

bring

the woman that i loved

the woman

that i had graduated with gone to

graduate school and i had known her for

a few years

so i bring her to this event and

everybody’s sharing about themselves and

introducing themselves

and this magical evening i decided

that the moment was right

and something that i had been preparing

for

and i thought she was ready for

so i asked for the microphone

and yes

i go down on my knees

and i pop the question

will you marry me

silence i thought she didn’t hear it

so i go again

will you marry me

silence for what seemed like an eternity

and then after a long pause she goes i’m

not sure

what would you do

i felt like shrinking

and disappearing in the crowd

i didn’t know how to react

what would you do

how would you react in these type of

situations

as you think about this

the key question

is how do we create a space

a sacred space

in our lives when something happens to

us

and then how do we respond to it

because as viktor frankl said

this is a very sacred space

in how we respond to things that happen

in our life

in our choice we make lies our future

growth and possibility

now

how do you do this

right

it’s easier said than done we are always

reminded you know you can’t control the

things that happen in your life

but you can control your actions

but it is easier said than done how do

we do it life can be a struggle

you know it’s not you may not have these

type of situations when somebody rejects

you in front of 350 people often but

often on a day-to-day basis you know

something happens

and we get upset and we want to react

you know or

your plans don’t go the way like you

plan and it upsets you and you react

right in these type of situations how do

we make better choices what do we do

right

so before i tell you

what happened that evening

i want to introduce you to two of my

best friends

and i promise you once you meet them

they will become your best friends too

that’s what this talk is about

so

my two best friends are

ben

and bob

now we all have an inner voice

right we all have an inner voice that

talks to us all the time

and now there is research based on act

or acceptance and commitment theory and

cbt cognitive behavior therapy that if

you take this voice and give it a name

it creates a space it creates a distance

then it’s not you it’s not me and then i

don’t have to agree with everything that

she’s telling me

right so so what does this mean

let’s take a look at few examples right

so you have

cookies in front of you

and of course you are tempted and you’re

craving you want to eat those delicious

chocolate you know you want that you

want that right so you uh the ben is

telling you come on take two nobody’s

looking

right

and bob is telling you

that hey

later on you may not feel that good and

in the long term it may have you know

health impact and you may gain weight

right

so

uh you get an email

right and you want to respond to it very

quickly uh and in an angry way because

you didn’t like what he was saying so

you want to text you want to tweet but

bob is telling you what’s going to be

the consequence of your reaction

you want a gucci bag

bob is telling you do you really need it

you are looking at how many followers i

have how many likes do i have

how many profit we have made in this

quarter and bob is telling you what’s

the real connection is there any value

is there any impact

you see bob knows that everything has a

benefit

because you know

there is a benefit in front of

everything we do

but oftentimes this is a fake benefit

or a false price

so how do these imaginary friends help

me every day

they help me create a space or a

distance you see we all live in a bubble

and as humans we forget that we live in

a bubble so ben wants me to stay in my

bubble bob wants me to pull out of that

bubble ben wants me to reinforce my

biases bob wants me to take me out of

the biases

whenever i get in a tough situation i

always ask what would ben do and what

would bob do

so

here’s the thing i know as you’re

listening to this you’re thinking oh i

get this what he’s talking about is like

oh the

two angels on each shoulder the devil

and the you know angel right or but no

that’s not what i’m talking about that’s

easier the good and evil but here what

we are talking about is big

and bigger or good and better so

sleeping in the morning in your blanket

is good it makes you feel good but

getting up right and working out is

better

right texting to somebody and responding

very quickly

is good makes you feel good you get it

off of your chest but holding off is

better

not speaking up when you see something

is not right

is good because you will keep your job

but speaking up

is bigger

right

cleaning up trash is good but taking

that trash and making art of that

is bigger starting a business is good

but starting a business with a cause is

bigger you see everything in life has

this

we can use ben and bob in all of our

aspects of life

so how many of you

have arguments with your wives and

husbands or your spouses how many of you

have arguments

right so today

you know if you meet ben and bob it will

change

because but you know in any argument you

have a choice

you want to be right or you want to be

happy

ben wants to be

right bob wants to be

so

how did i discover ben and bob

my day job is strategy execution i work

with organizations and companies around

the world

and what i see

is that there is a big disconnect

between strategy and execution between

outputs and outcomes

everybody is busy doing busy work

but they don’t challenge themselves to

how does this connect

with the big picture of the organization

so we measure

things like what are my likes uh how

much you know profit am i going to make

in this quarter but the bob aspect is

how what are the outcomes what are the

outcomes that’s the benefit of the

benefit now

organizations that can connect this

strategy and execution because strategy

is all about

making choices making tough choices

that achieve bigger and better results

right so how do we how do we do that

that’s very rare by the way where

organizations can link strategy and

execution and link performance with

purpose but when that happens

it is magical

so let me share

one

organization that we are all familiar

with and i heard the story first when i

was working with teams at nasa

so this is a rare period in the 1960s

in during the apollo program at nasa

so the story goes something like this

there is a bathroom

and there is a janitor who cleans the

bathroom so he’s cleaning the bathroom

and involves somebody

and they notice that today the bathroom

is looking extra clean

so they say you know hey

thank you thank you for cleaning the

bathroom it’s looking beautiful

the guy looks up and he says sir i’m not

cleaning the bathroom

he says really he’s puzzled so he’s

asked what are you doing then he says

sir

i’m not cleaning the bathroom i’m

putting help a man on the moon

right

so you see in our organizations most of

the time what we’re doing is cleaning

the bathroom

we measure and reward people for

cleaning the bathroom

you know we we look at how many things

we can check off how many things we have

produced

uh uh how much how many followers how

many likes we have

but bob is asking what is the outcome

what is the benefit of the benefit now

you can really

push the bob and look for the bob of the

bob

which goes beyond outputs and outcomes

because that is more you’re thinking

about long-term reputation sustenance

your impact and legacy

that’s why companies like google

do not

care much about their quarterly results

because they are more focused on what is

the impact we are going to leave a

hundred or 200 years from now

so

as you’re listening you you might be

thinking i’m suggesting that ben is good

and bob is better

right not really

because you see ben has benefit right

and you can’t have bob without ben

right so how do we resolve this paradox

right between ben and bob they are not

good and bad they are good and better

big and bigger so there should be a

healthy choice

conflict and balance between the two you

see ben has his feet on the ground bob

has a head on the clouds

ben is focused bob is diffused

ben is looking for quick solutions bob

is making sure i’m asking the right

questions

ben is saying how can i quickly become

successful bob is saying how can i serve

how can i be more useful

so i know you’re thinking how do i

practice this

have you seen birds you know how they

eat

they they’re focused on the food that’s

in front of them right so they peck

and then they pause and see scan the

horizon to see who what are the

predators so they peck and they pause

they peck and they pause it’s almost

like they are alternating between ben

and bob ben and bob

so

how do we combine the best of these

to ben and bob right now there’s

research

of successful leaders from around the

world in multiple industries and one of

the things they found in the research is

that people who are very successful they

can take two opposing ideas

and bring them together and combine them

and integrate them and create something

that’s even better it’s like roger

martin said it’s not like you’re doing

one at the expense of other but you’re

combining the two to produce something

that’s better

so

let’s go back to that evening

if you’re wondering what happened that

evening

right

and i got rejected in front of 350

people

what did i do did i hide did i disappear

there were women coming up to me and

saying jack get rid of her i’m available

but you know what at that point i didn’t

have my ben and bob that developed but

there was a little bit of bob in me

so i persisted

and you know what

it took a while

but she

listened to her bob and finally she said

yes

now

now that’s fine but i want to show you

the outcome and impact of that

the picture i want to show you

was with my daughter

and my daughter nina

at her graduation

and that would not have happened

if i had listened to my ben that day

so some time back my mother-in-law said

you have one good quality

i said one she’s never said anything

nice to me

so she said i want good quality so i

said what what please tell me what is it

she said you forget things easily

and i didn’t know how to tell her that

i don’t know how to tell her that that’s

the reason i married your daughter

i hope

you enjoyed meeting my best friends ben

and bob

i hope they become your best friends

because they will help you

in any tough situation to ask the right

questions

to get you outside your bubble and to

make tough choices

i believe in today’s world more than

ever that more people need to understand

this distinction between ben and bob

especially if you are a leader a

politician or a ceo especially if you’re

struggling with

inside inward versus outward

long-term versus short-term

mindless reaction versus thoughtful

possibility

good versus better big versus bigger

i believe that if more people discover

their ben and bob

we will create a better space

and we will make this world a better

world thank you very much

thank you

thank you

thank you

thank you

thank you

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you

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这是一个美丽的

夏日夜晚,

康涅狄格州纽黑文靠近耶鲁大学的一个

礼堂里

,它挤满了大约 350 人

,这是一个神奇的夜晚,

因为这是一个

我们都参与的节目的庆祝活动 我们即将

毕业,我们可以带上我们的家人

和朋友,这是一个非常令人兴奋的

夜晚,

所以

在这个神奇的夜晚,我决定

带上

我爱的那个女人

,我一起毕业的那个女人去了

研究生院,我认识她

几年后,

所以我带她参加这个活动,

每个人都在分享自己和自我

介绍

,这个神奇的夜晚我

决定时机

成熟,我一直在准备的事情

,我认为她已经准备好了,

所以我要了麦克风

是的

,我跪下

,我提出这个问题,

你愿意嫁给我吗?

我以为她没有听到,

所以我再去一次,

你愿意嫁给我

吗?

ty 然后过了很长的停顿她走了

想一想,关键问题

是我们如何在我们的生活中创造

一个神圣的空间

,当我们发生某些事情时,

我们如何回应它,

因为正如维克托弗兰克尔所说,

这是一个非常神圣的空间

,我们如何回应那些发生在我们身上的事情

在我们的生活

中发生 在我们的选择中 我们做出的谎言是我们未来的

成长和可能性

现在

你如何做到这

一点 说起来容易做起来难 我们总是被

提醒你知道你无法控制

生活中发生的事情,

但你可以控制你的 行动,

但说

起来容易做起来难 我们怎么

做 你

知道发生了什么事

s 我们会心烦意乱,我们想做出反应

你知道,或者

你的计划没有按照你的

计划进行,这让你心烦意乱,你

在这种情况下做出正确的反应

我们如何做出更好的选择 之前我们做

对了什么

我告诉你

那天晚上发生了什么事

所有人都有内心的声音

对我们都有内心的声音

一直在

我们说话 一个空间它创造了一个距离

然后不是你也不是我然后我

不必同意

她告诉我

的一切所以这意味着什么

让我们来看看一些正确的例子

所以你

前面有饼干

你当然还有 你很受诱惑,你很

想吃那些美味的

巧克力你知道你想要你

想要那个,所以你呃本

告诉你来吧,拿两个没有人

看起来

正确

,鲍勃告诉你

,嘿,

稍后你可能会 感觉不太好,

从长远来看,它可能会让你知道对

健康的影响,你可能会增加体重,

所以你收到了一封正确的电子邮件

,你想很快回复它

,因为

你不喜欢,所以很生气 他在说什么所以

你想发短信你想发推但

鲍勃告诉你你的反应会是什么

你想要一个古驰包

鲍勃告诉你你真的需要它

你在看我有多少追随者

我有

多少点赞 我们在本季度获得了多少利润

鲍勃告诉

你真正的联系是什么

每一个 我们这样做,

但通常这是虚假的利益

或虚假的价格,

所以这些想象中的朋友如何

每天

帮助我,他们帮助我创造一个空间或

距离,你看到我们都生活在一个泡沫中

,作为人类,我们忘记了我们生活在

一个泡沫 所以本希望我留在我的

泡沫中 鲍勃希望我摆脱

泡沫 本希望我加强我的

偏见 鲍勃希望我让我

摆脱偏见

每当我遇到困难时我

总是问我会怎么做 做和

鲍勃会做什么

所以

这是我知道的事情,当你在

听这个的时候你在想哦,我

明白了他在说什么就像

哦,

两个天使在每个肩膀上,魔鬼

和你知道的天使是对的,或者但是 不

,这不是我在说的

,善恶更容易,但在这里

我们谈论的是

更大更大或更好更好,所以

早上睡在毯子

里很好,它会让你感觉很好,但

要起床 锻炼是

更好的

正确发短信给某人 y 并且快速响应

是好的让你感觉良好 你把它

从你的胸膛中解脱出来,但是

当你看到

不正确的事情时不要说出来

是最好的,因为你会保住你的工作,

但说出来更重要的

清理垃圾 很好,但

把垃圾和艺术创作

更大 创业很好,

但有事业创业

更大 你看到生活中的一切都有

这个

我们可以在生活的各个方面使用本和鲍勃

所以有多少 你们中

有多少人与妻子和

丈夫或配偶发生争执 你们中有多少人的

争论是

正确的,所以今天

你知道如果你遇到本和鲍勃,情况会

改变,

因为但你知道在任何争论中你

都有一个选择是

你想要正确还是你 想要

快乐

本想要做

对的鲍勃想要成为

那么

我是如何发现本和鲍勃

我的日常工作是战略执行我

与世界各地的组织和公司合作

我看到

的是有一个很大的不合

战略与执行之间的

产出和结果之间的 ct

每个人都忙于忙碌的工作,

但他们不会挑战自己如何

与组织的大局联系起来,

所以我们衡量

诸如我喜欢

什么,你知道多少利润之类的东西 我将

在本季度做出,但鲍勃方面

是结果是什么

结果是什么是利益的

好处现在

可以将这个战略和执行联系起来的组织

因为战略

就是

做出选择做出艰难的选择

以实现更大和 更好的结果,

那么我们如何做到这一点,

这是非常罕见的,因为

组织可以将战略和

执行联系起来,并将绩效与目标联系起来,

但是当这种情况发生时,

它是神奇的,

所以让我分享

一个

我们都熟悉的组织,

并且 我第一次听到这个故事是在

我与美国宇航局的团队合作时,

所以这是 1960

年代美国宇航局阿波罗计划期间的一个罕见时期

所以故事是这样的

有一个浴室

,有一个打扫浴室的看门人,

所以他正在打扫浴室

并涉及到某人

,他们注意到今天

浴室看起来特别干净,

所以他们说你知道,嘿,

谢谢,谢谢 打扫

浴室 看起来很漂亮

那个人抬起头说先生 我不

打扫浴室

他说他真的很困惑 所以他

问你在做什么 然后他说

先生

我不打扫浴室 我

正在帮忙 月球上的人是的,

所以你在我们的组织中看到

大部分时间我们正在做的事情是

清洁浴室

我们衡量并奖励

清洁浴室的人

你知道我们看看

我们可以检查多少事情我们可以检查多少事情 已经

产生了

呃呃有多少追随者

我们有多少喜欢

但是鲍勃在问结果

是什么好处现在

你可以真正

推动鲍勃并寻找鲍勃的

鲍勃 超越产出和结果,

因为这更多的是你在

考虑长期声誉维持

你的影响和遗产

这就是为什么像谷歌这样的公司

不太关心他们的季度业绩

因为他们更关注

我们将要留下的影响是什么

一百或 200 年

后,

当你在听你的时候,你可能在

想我是在暗示本很好

,鲍勃更好,

不是真的,

因为你看到本有好处

,没有本就不能有鲍勃,

对 那么我们如何解决

本和鲍勃之间的这个悖论 他们没有

好坏之分 他们越来越好

越来越大 所以两者之间应该有一个

健康的选择

冲突和平衡 你

看到本有他的脚在地上 鲍勃

有 云上的头

本集中注意力 鲍勃分散注意力

本正在寻找快速解决方案

鲍勃确保我在问正确的

问题

本在说我怎样才能快速

成功 鲍勃在说我该如何服务

我怎样才能更有用,

所以我知道你在想我怎么

练习 扫视

地平线,看看谁是

捕食者,所以它们啄食并停顿

它们啄食并停顿它们几乎

就像他们在本和鲍勃之间交替一样

本和鲍勃

所以

我们如何将这些中最好的结合

到本和鲍勃

对来自世界各地多个行业的成功领导者

进行的研究,他们在研究中发现的一件事

是,非常成功的人

可以将两种相反的想法

结合起来,将它们结合起来

,整合起来,创造

出更好的东西 就像罗杰·

马丁说的那样,你不是在做

一个以牺牲另一个为代价的,而是你

将两者结合起来

产生更好的东西,

所以

如果你想知道什么让我们回到那个晚上 那天晚上发生的事情

,我在 350 个人面前被拒绝了

我做了什么我隐藏了我是否消失了

有女人来找我

说杰克摆脱她我有空

但你知道那时我没有做什么

我的本和鲍勃没有发展,但我

有一点鲍勃,

所以我坚持了

,你

知道花了一段时间,

但她

听了她的鲍勃,最后她说

是的,

现在很好,但我想展示 你

我想给你看的那张照片的结果和影响

是我女儿

和我女儿尼娜

在她毕业时的样子,

如果那天我听了我的本,那是不会发生的

你有一个好品质

我说一个她从来没有对我说过任何

好话所以她说我想要好品质所以我

说什么请告诉我是什么

她说你很容易忘记事情

我不知道如何告诉她

我不知道如何告诉她这

就是我结婚的原因 和你的女儿

在一起 我希望你喜欢见到我最好的朋友本

和鲍勃

我希望他们成为你最好的朋友,

因为他们会

在任何困难的情况下帮助你提出正确的

问题

,让你走出你的泡沫并

做出艰难的选择

我相信今天 世界比

以往任何时候都更需要更多的人了解

本和鲍勃之间的区别,

尤其是如果您是领导者,

政治家或首席执行官,尤其是如果您正在

努力应对

内在与外在

的长期与短期的

盲目反应与深思熟虑的

可能性

好与更好 大与大

我相信,如果更多的人发现

他们的本和鲍勃,

我们将创造一个更好的空间

,我们将使这个世界成为一个更美好的

世界,非常感谢

谢谢谢谢谢谢

谢谢谢谢

[音乐]