Demystifying the Crossdressing Experience

Transcriber: Jai Simon
Reviewer: Amanda Zhu

Do you remember being a child
alone in your room at night,

the lightning crashing,

the thunder rumbling,

skeletal hands slowly reaching
across the walls,

a sliver of an open closet door

just hiding and inviting
all the terrors inside?

And you are under your covers
with such an intense and paralyzing fear

that the idea of putting
your feet to the floor

is an impossible task.

Now, take that fear

and put it into the body
of a full-grown, college educated adult

who is simply asked
to go to the grocery store.

Now, luckily, the kid

has family and people
who can come into the room

and rip open the closet door,

show that everything’s okay,

explain away the shadows and the rumbles.

So now that child can go forward
with the knowledge and the allies

to be more brave for the next time.

Now, how does an adult, someone like me,

take that fear,

and without all that support
and all those resources,

overcome that fear?

My name is Savannah,

and under all this is Chuck.

I am an advocate,

an author,

a podcaster,

and a cross-dresser.

When I tell people I’m a cross-dresser,

I usually get at least one
of the following questions:

“Oh, so you’re like a drag queen!”

No, I am not that fabulous,
and I am not that good an entertainer.

“Oh, so you want to be a lady
with lady parts?”

No, I’m very happy to be in my male body.

I just have a need to express myself
in a feminine way once in a while.

“Oh, but you’re gay, right?”

No, I’ve always loved women,

and there is actually no proof

that a non-transitioning
cross-dressing person

has any more likelihood of being gay
than any other demographic.

So how did I get here?

Well, I’m the middle child of three
in a family of five,

grew up in a conservative Midwest
in the 70s and 80s.

We ate dinner around the same table
at the same time most nights.

The problem is that same table
is where my mom and dad spoke openly

and gossiped about the likelihood
of the neighbor boy being gay.

Why?

Because he was open enough
about wearing high-heeled shoes

when we played pretend
on his front porch.

That being said,

hearing my mom and dad condemn this boy
with what they were saying about him,

it made me realize

that maybe I should keep my love
for my mom’s high heels to myself.

Growing up in my preadolescence,
I had no role models that were like me.

Actually, I take that back.

I had one role model
who used to come into the house

every Saturday morning.

In my adolescence and in my teen years,

I finally understood the word “tranny”

and what it meant.

The problem was at the time,

it had already taken on
such a hateful slur

that I was hesitant
to ever take that on as who I was.

But after college, with a marriage
and a move to New York City,

a whole world of diversity
opened up to me.

I saw my first drag queen in real life.

In fact, I saw a bevy of drag queens
in real life all at the same time,

all working and performing
at a restaurant in lower Manhattan

called Lucky Cheng’s.

They were happy,

the patrons adored them,
there seemed to be a sense of community,

and they unknowingly led me to the point

where I could accept
the word “transvestite” for myself.

And with that, my world opened up.

And with that, of course, you know,
if you take that next step,

you need to have a name.

And I was told at the time

that you should have
the name of your first pet

and the street you grew up on.

Well, I was not answering to Shaggy,

so that was out.

But instead, my name
just happened to find me,

and a fully-fledged Savannah was born.

Now, these are the Savannah, early years,

but really is more like Savannah,
the hot mess years.

But I was happy.

I was dressing femininely.

I was enjoying life,
going out to the clubs,

and being with friends.

The problem is that
with every moment of self-acceptance

are just more profound
and personal questions to ask yourself.

And as a result, gender identity,

gender expression

were words I had never heard of.

They weren’t popularized in the 90s yet.

I was questioning my sexuality at a moment

where I had never questioned my sexuality
up to that exact moment.

You have to remember in the 90s,

the Internet was still a baby
and I was just a novice.

Unfortunately, soon thereafter,
my wife and I divorced,

but it’s because we were
on different journeys.

She was on a discovery path
for her own sexuality,

and I wanted to understand more
of what and who I was as Savannah.

Each relationship I had,
Savannah was included, for good or bad.

In my longest relationship,

Savannah started off as a novelty

and as something fun to do
behind closed doors.

But because of the fact
that she was concerned

about what people
might think of her, about me

and what people might think of me,

and trying to protect me.

And because I hate conflict,

I focused on her own happiness
and her own comfort over my own,

and I put Savannah deep into the closet.

It took 10 years for Savannah
to raise her voice loud enough

to finally hear her say
that she was worthwhile,

she was entitled to breathe
and that she should have happiness.

So I finally stuck up for myself
and stood up for myself

and looked for a community in the area
that would accept me.

And with that, I found
a community of people like myself.

I heard their stories,
and together and by myself,

I was able to thrive.

Unfortunately, at home,

because of the secrecy

and because of the resentment
that had built up

and because we didn’t have the resources
to integrate Savannah in a healthy way,

that 15-year relationship ended.

Moving forward to 2018,

my current girlfriend, Judy, and I

had to leave New York.

And I was terrified
of leaving that community behind

because I was terrified even more

that I wouldn’t be able to find
that community where we were moving to.

Because folks, I moved to South Carolina.

That is a God-fearing, gun-toting,

red leaning state.

Where would I possibly find
a cross-dressing community

that I could find myself in again?

Well,

prior to the move and after the move,

it took a despondent and desperate
and demoralizing six months for me,

with my girlfriend’s help

and thinking outside
the cross-dressing box,

to find anything that Savannah
could be a part of.

It was a Meetup app group
for the LGBTQ community.

They welcomed me in,

even though I was one
of the only cross-dressers.

From there, I got an invitation

to join the monthly meetings
for the local P-flag group.

And from there,

I took in my first pride event
in Spartanburg.

That allowed me, with the help
of these communities and these leaders,

to finally say to myself
and have enough confidence

to realize and make a promise to myself
that I needed to be visible

in a way that was beyond just social media

and be in the public eye.

So, with that visibility,

I discovered gracious and welcoming
and curious South Carolinians

who took me into their hearts
and called me “friend”.

And with that visibility,
I started to frequent, every weekend,

a certain chain of coffee shops

just to prove that I am just as amazing
and normal as everyone else.

So how was it

that with all that,

that paralyzing fear returned
when I was sitting in my car

because I was asked to go run an errand
to the grocery store?

Because I know how
so many people think of it -

deviant, mentally ill, fetishistic.

predatory, an abomination to God -

all because I choose to dress
in a manner beyond my biology.

On a personal level,
I’ve heard friends and colleagues

talk down in derogatory
to queers, about queers,

not realizing that I am one.

They just know me in male mode.

I’ve been told about a mother’s lament
about the protection of her child

because I shook
that child’s hand in church.

Even my social media, I expect hate mail.

On a grander scale,

I’ve seen the viral videos
where people in my community are beaten.

I’ve listened to the news reports
that claimed that I am a pervert

just trying to get into the ladies’ room
for nefarious things.

Transgender women are targeted
and murdered every year

in an ongoing epidemic.

And most sadly and most unfortunately,

our LGBTQ youth

has a suicide attempt rate

three times that of their cisgender
and straight counterparts.

So as I’m sitting in the car with my hands
white-knuckled on the steering wheel,

those thoughts and many more
are racing through my head.

You have to remember

that for me, my confidence
was built and bred in a vacuum,

without support systems,
without resources,

when I was in my most formative years.

So like a flame under a glass dome,
it’s very easily extinguished.

Because indoctrinated fear over years
is not easily rooted out.

It didn’t matter
that I’d found my community,

it didn’t matter that I’ve been
continuing my research

and becoming more confident in public.

I had gone from the safety and inclusivity
of the coffee shop I loved

three hundred yards across the street
to a parking lot of a grocery store

where I felt vulnerable,
alone, and exposed.

Now, did I survive?

Of course, I did.

After several minutes, I went in,

came back to the car unscathed

with no more than just a few stares

and a very strange quick conversation
in the checkout line.

But that was barely two years ago,

barely.

It’s 2021.

What are we doing to effect change?

What are we doing to mitigate the risks
and get rid of the fear?

Advocacy,

education,

and empowerment.

The cross-dressing community
is woefully underrepresented.

Why?

Because non-transitioning
cross-dressing folks

do not need to present themselves
in their duality 24/7.

And as a result,

we have the ability
to hide ourselves away.

But if we continue to hide,
nothing ever changes.

So for those who can
come forward and be visible,

they need to come forward.

And for those who want
to help us and be allies,

we only ask that you share with us

that you are a safe haven
and a protected platform

from which we can be seen
just living our lives.

And once we capture people’s attention,

we need to be courageous enough
to tell our stories

and answer any questions.

Because for too many years,

we have been put into a stigmatized
and mislabeled box

because people just don’t know
or have not been taught any different.

So the longer we stay silent,

the longer people
will cling to these ideals

that are antiquated and outdated.

For me, to be visible on this stage
and to be vocal with you is a risk.

Anybody who hears or sees this
can connect Savannah to Chuck.

And at that point,
the genie is out of the bottle

and my secret’s out.

So if somebody is brave enough
to take the risk to tell you their story,

hear them.

Listen to the words

with an open heart and an open mind.

Because when you hear a story
that resonates within you,

that’s empowerment.

When you see somebody walking
down the street in public

that reminds you of somebody
you want to be,

that’s empowerment.

Advocation breeds education,
which fuels empowerment.

And it is a circular journey,

it is symbiotic and it can be
ever, ever expanding.

Because every cycle of that
breeds more role models,

which, then, creates more resources,
which, then, creates more self-confidence.

And I urge all of you
to be a part of that change

and support that change.

Now, while I stand in front of you,

being vocal, invisible,
and with confidence,

it pains me and gives me shame to tell you

that I will never tell my parents
about Savannah.

I will never tell them
about her achievements.

I will never tell them
about being on this stage.

And I will never tell them

about anything that I’ve done
positively for the community.

Because for me, that rejection
that I could get from my folks

is my worst fear.

Now, if they come across this talk,

I will take the consequence, good or bad.

But who knows?

Maybe it would just be
simply another opportunity

for me to be a better advocate,

to educate them with my story,

and just empower myself.

And that is a risk worth taking.

Thank you.

抄写员:Jai Simon
审稿人:Amanda Zhu

你还记得小时候
晚上一个人在房间里

,闪电劈啪

作响,雷声隆隆,

骷髅的手慢慢地
穿过墙壁,

一扇敞开的壁橱门

只是隐藏和邀请
所有 里面的恐怖?

而你在你的掩护下
有着如此强烈和麻木的恐惧

,以至于把
你的脚放在地板上的想法

是一项不可能完成的任务。

现在,把这种恐惧

带到一个成年的、受过大学教育的成年人的

身上,他只是被要求
去杂货店。

现在,幸运的是,这个孩子

有家人和人
,他们可以进入房间

并撕开壁橱的门,

表明一切都很好,

解释了阴影和隆隆声。

所以现在那个孩子可以
带着知识和盟友

继续前进,在下一次变得更加勇敢。

现在,像我这样的成年人,如何在

没有所有支持
和所有资源的情况下

克服这种恐惧?

我的名字是萨凡纳

,在这一切之下是查克。

我是倡导者

、作家

、播客

和变装者。

当我告诉别人我是一个变装者时,

我通常会收到以下至少
一个问题:

“哦,所以你就像一个变装皇后!”

不,我不是那么出色
,我也不是那么优秀的艺人。

“哦,所以你想成为一个
有女人味的女人?”

不,我很高兴能进入我的男性身体。

我只是
偶尔需要以女性化的方式表达自己。

“哦,但你是同性恋,对吧?”

不,我一直很喜欢女性

,实际上没有证据

表明一个不转型
的易装者

比任何其他人群更有可能成为同性恋

那我是怎么到这里的?

好吧,我
是五口之家三个孩子

中的老二
,在 70 年代和 80 年代在保守的中西部长大。 大多数晚上,

我们在同一张桌子周围吃晚饭

问题是同一张桌子
是我妈妈和爸爸公开

谈论和八卦
邻居男孩是同性恋的可能性的地方。

为什么?

因为

当我们
在他的前廊玩耍时,他对穿高跟鞋很开放。

话虽如此,

听到我的父母用他们对这个男孩的评价来谴责这个
男孩,

这让我意识到

,也许我应该
对我妈妈的高跟鞋保持我的爱。

在我青春期前的成长过程中,
我没有像我这样的榜样。

实际上,我收回了这一点。

我有一个榜样
,他过去

每个星期六早上都会来家里。

在我的青春期和青少年时期,

我终于明白了“变性人”这个词

及其含义。

问题是当时,

它已经
带有如此可恨的诽谤

,以至于我
犹豫要不要把它当作我自己。

但大学毕业后,随着婚姻
和搬到纽约市,

一个多元化的世界
向我敞开了大门。

我在现实生活中看到了我的第一个变装皇后。

事实上,我同时在现实生活中看到了一群变装皇后
,他们


在曼哈顿下城的一家

名为 Lucky Cheng’s 的餐厅工作和表演。

他们很开心

,顾客很喜欢他们,
似乎有一种社区意识

,他们在不知不觉中把我带到了

我可以接受
“易装癖”这个词的地步。

就这样,我的世界打开了。

当然,有了这个,你知道,
如果你采取下一步,

你需要有一个名字。

当时有人告诉我

,你应该知道
你的第一只宠物的名字

和你长大的街道。

好吧,我没有回答 Shaggy,

所以就这样了。

但相反,我的名字
恰好找到了我

,一个成熟的萨凡纳诞生了。

现在,这些都是萨凡纳,早年,

但真的更像萨凡纳
,炎热的混乱年代。

但我很高兴。

我穿着女性化。

我很享受生活,
去俱乐部,

和朋友在一起。

问题在于,
自我接纳的每一刻都是

要问自己的更深刻和更个人的问题。

结果,性别认同、

性别表达

是我从未听说过的词。

它们在 90 年代还没有普及。

在我从未质疑过我的性取向的那一刻,我正在质疑我的性取向

你必须记住,在 90 年代

,互联网还是个婴儿,
而我只是一个新手。

不幸的是,不久之后
,我和妻子就离婚了,

但那是因为我们走的
是不同的旅程。

她正在探索
自己的性取向

,我想更多
地了解萨凡纳的身份和身份。

我拥有的每段关系
,无论好坏,都包括萨凡纳。

在我最长的关系中,

萨凡纳一开始是一种

新奇事物,也是一种关起门来做的有趣的事情


因为她关心

人们对她的看法,对我的看法

以及人们对我的看法,

并试图保护我。

因为我讨厌冲突,

我把注意力集中在她自己的幸福
和她自己的舒适上,而不是我自己的

,我把萨凡娜深深地藏在了壁橱里。

Savannah 花了 10 年的时间
才把声音提高到足够大

,终于听到她
说她值得,

她有权呼吸
,她应该拥有幸福。

所以我最终为
自己挺身而出,为自己挺身而出,

并在该地区寻找
一个可以接受我的社区。

就这样,我找到
了一个像我这样的人的社区。

我听到了他们的故事
,一起和我自己,

我能够茁壮成长。

不幸的是,在国内,

由于保密

和积聚的怨恨

以及由于我们没有资源
以健康的方式整合萨凡纳,

这段 15 年的关系结束了。

进入 2018

年,我和现任女友朱迪

不得不离开纽约。


害怕离开那个社区,

因为我更

害怕我无法
找到我们要搬到的那个社区。

因为伙计们,我搬到了南卡罗来纳州。

那是一种敬畏上帝、持枪、

偏红的状态。

我在哪里可以找到

一个我可以再次找到自己的变装社区?

好吧

,在搬家之前和搬家之后

在我女朋友的帮助下,在我的女朋友的帮助下,我花了六个月的时间

去寻找任何可以让萨凡纳
参与其中的东西。

这是一个针对 LGBTQ 社区的 Meetup 应用程序组

他们欢迎我进来,

尽管我是
唯一的变装者之一。

从那里,我收到了

参加
当地 P-flag 小组每月会议的邀请。

从那里,

我参加了在斯巴达堡举行的第一次骄傲活动

这让我
在这些社区和这些领导者的帮助下

,最终对自己说,
并有足够的

信心实现并向自己承诺
,我需要以

一种超越社交媒体的方式被人们看到,

并在 公众的视线。

因此,凭借这种知名度,

我发现了亲切、热情
和好奇的南卡罗来纳州

人,他们把我深深地融入了他们的心中
,并称我为“朋友”。

有了这种知名度
,我开始每个周末都光顾

某家连锁咖啡店,

只是为了证明我
和其他人一样了不起和正常。

那么

当我被要求去杂货店跑腿时,当我坐在车里时,那种麻木的恐惧又是

怎么回事呢?

因为我知道
有多少人会这么想——

离经叛道、精神病患者、恋物癖。

掠夺性的,对上帝的憎恶——

这一切都是因为我选择的
穿着方式超出了我的生物学。

在个人层面上,
我听到朋友和同事

贬低酷儿,谈论酷儿,

没有意识到我是其中之一。

他们只是在男性模式下认识我。

有人告诉我,一位母亲
为保护她的孩子

而哀叹,因为我
在教堂里握了那个孩子的手。

即使是我的社交媒体,我也期待仇恨邮件。

在更大的范围内,

我看到
了我社区中的人被殴打的病毒视频。

我听过
那些声称我是个变态的新闻报道,

只是想进入女士房间
做一些邪恶的事情。 在一场持续的流行病中,

跨性别女性每年都成为目标
和谋杀

最可悲和最不幸的是,

我们的 LGBTQ

青年的自杀未遂率

是顺性别者和异性恋者的三倍

所以当我坐在车里,双手
握着方向盘时,

这些想法以及更多
的想法在我脑海中飞速掠过。

你必须记住

,对我来说,我的信心
是在真空中建立和孕育的,

没有支持系统,
没有资源,

那时我正处于最成长的时期。

所以就像玻璃穹顶下的火焰一样,
它很容易熄灭。

因为多年来灌输的恐惧
并不容易被根除。

我找到了我的

社区并不重要,我一直在
继续我的研究

并在公众面前变得更加自信并不重要。

我从街对面三百码我爱的咖啡店的安全和包容

走到了杂货店的停车场,在

那里我感到脆弱、
孤独和暴露。

现在,我活下来了吗?

我当然做了。

几分钟后,我进去了,

毫发无伤地回到车上

,只有几眼凝视

和结账线上的一段非常奇怪的快速
对话。

但这只是两年前,

几乎没有。

现在是 2021 年

。我们正在做些什么来实现变革?

我们正在做些什么来减轻风险
并消除恐惧?

宣传、

教育

和赋权。

易装界
的代表性严重不足。

为什么?

因为非
过渡性的易装

者不需要以
24/7 的二元性来展示自己。

因此,

我们有
能力隐藏自己。

但如果我们继续隐藏,
一切都不会改变。

因此,对于那些能够
挺身而出并引人注目的人,

他们需要挺身而出。

对于那些
想帮助我们并成为盟友的人,

我们只要求您与我们

分享您是一个安全的避风港
和一个受保护的平台

,我们可以从中看到
我们的生活。

一旦我们吸引了人们的注意力,

我们就需要有足够的勇气
讲述我们的故事

并回答任何问题。

因为多年来,

我们一直被置于一个被污名化
和贴错标签的盒子里,

因为人们只是不知道
或没有被教导任何不同。

因此,我们保持沉默

的时间越长,人们
就越会

坚持这些陈旧过时的理想。

对我来说,在这个舞台
上露面并与你发声是一种风险。

任何听到或看到这一点的人都
可以将 Savannah 与 Chuck 联系起来。

在那一点上
,精灵从瓶子里出来了

,我的秘密也出来了。

因此,如果有人
敢于冒险向您讲述他们的故事,请

听听他们的故事。

以开放的心和开放的心态聆听这些话。

因为当你听到一个能
引起你共鸣的故事时,

这就是授权。

当你看到有人
在公共场合走在街上

,让你想起
你想成为的人,

那就是赋权。

倡导孕育教育
,促进赋权。

这是一个循环的旅程,

它是共生的,它可以
永远,永远扩展。

因为这样的每一个循环都会
孕育更多的榜样,

从而创造更多的资源
,进而创造更多的自信。

我敦促你们所有人
成为这种变化的一部分

并支持这种变化。

现在,当我站在你面前

,直言不讳
,自信满满,

告诉

你我永远不会告诉我父母
关于萨凡纳的事,让我很痛苦,也让我感到羞耻。

我永远不会告诉
他们她的成就。

我永远不会告诉
他们在这个舞台上。

我永远不会告诉

他们我为社区做出的任何
积极贡献。

因为对我来说
,我可以从我的家人那里得到的拒绝

是我最害怕的。

现在,如果他们看到这个谈话,

我会承担后果,无论好坏。

但谁知道呢?

也许这只是

我成为更好的倡导者的另一个机会,

用我的故事教育他们,

并赋予自己权力。

这是一个值得冒的风险。

谢谢你。