Deep Under the Earths Surface Discovering Beauty and Science Francesco Sauro TED Talks

I would like to invite you

to come along on a visit

to a dark continent.

It is the continent hidden

under the surface of the earth.

It is largely unexplored,

poorly understood,
and the stuff of legends.

But it is made also of dramatic landscapes

like this huge underground chamber,

and it is rich with surprising
biological and mineralogical worlds.

Thanks to the efforts of intrepid voyagers
in the last three centuries –

actually, we know also thanks
to satellite technology, of course –

we know almost every single square meter
of our planet’s surface.

However, we know still very little
about what is hidden inside the earth.

Because a cave landscape,
like this deep shaft in Italy, is hidden,

the potential of cave exploration –
the geographical dimension –

is poorly understood and unappreciated.

Because we are creatures
living on the surface,

our perception of the inner
side of the planet

is in some ways skewed,

as is that of the depth of the oceans

or of the upper atmosphere.

However, since systematic cave exploration
started about one century ago,

we know actually that caves exist
in every continent of the world.

A single cave system,
like Mammoth Cave, which is in Kentucky,

can be as long
as more than 600 kilometers.

And an abyss like Krubera Voronya,
which is in the Caucasus region,

actually the deepest cave
explored in the world,

can go as far as more than 2,000
meters below the surface.

That means a journey of weeks
for a cave explorer.

Caves form in karstic regions.

So karstic regions are areas of the world

where the infiltrating water
along cracks, fractures,

can easily dissolve soluble lithologies,

forming a drainage system
of tunnels, conduits –

a three-dimensional network, actually.

Karstic regions cover almost 20 percent
of the continents' surface,

and we know actually that speleologists
in the last 50 years

have explored roughly 30,000 kilometers
of cave passages around the world,

which is a big number.

But geologists have estimated
that what is still missing,

to be discovered and mapped,

is something around 10 million kilometers.

That means that for each meter
of a cave that we already know,

that we have explored,

there are still some tens of kilometers
of undiscovered passages.

That means that this is really
an endless continent,

and we will never be able
to explore it completely.

And this estimation is made
without considering other types of caves,

like, for example, inside glaciers
or even volcanic caves,

which are not karstic,
but are formed by lava flows.

And if we have a look at other planets
like, for example, Mars,

you will see that this characteristic

is not so specific of our home planet.

However, I will show to you now
that we do not need to go to Mars

to explore alien worlds.

I’m a speleologist, that means
a cave explorer.

And I started with this passion
when I was really young

in the mountains not far
from my hometown in North Italy,

in the karstic regions of the Alps
and the Dolomites.

But soon, the quest for exploration
brought me to the farthest corner

of the planet, searching
for new potential entrances

of this undiscovered continent.

And in 2009, I had the opportunity
to visit the tepui table mountains,

which are in the Orinoco
and Amazon basins.

These massifs enchanted me
from the first time I saw them.

They are surrounded by vertical,
vertiginous rock walls

with silvery waterfalls
that are lost in the forest.

They really inspired in me
a sense of wilderness,

with a soul older than millions
and millions of years.

And this dramatic landscape
inspired among other things

also Conan Doyle’s
“The Lost World” novel in 1912.

And they are, really, a lost world.

Scientists consider those mountains
as islands in time,

being separated
from the surrounding lowlands

since tens of millions of years ago.

They are surrounded
by up to 1,000-meter-high walls,

resembling a fortress,
impregnable by humans.

And, in fact, only a few
of these mountains have been climbed

and explored on their top.

These mountains contain also
a scientific paradox:

They are made by quartz,

which is a very common mineral
on the earth’s crust,

and the rock made up by quartz
is called quartzite,

and quartzite is one of the hardest
and least soluble minerals on earth.

So we do not expect at all
to find a cave there.

Despite this, in the last 10 years,
speleologists from Italy,

Slovakia, Czech Republic,
and, of course, Venezuela and Brazil,

have explored several caves in this area.

So how can it be possible?

To understand this contradiction,
we have to consider the time factor,

because the history of the tepuis
is extremely long,

starting about 1.6 billion years ago
with the formation of the rock,

and then evolving with the uplift
of the region 150 million years ago,

after the disruption
of the Pangaea supercontinent

and the opening of the Atlantic Ocean.

So you can imagine that the water had tens
or even hundreds of millions of years

to sculpt the strangest forms
on the tepuis' surfaces,

but also to open the fractures
and form stone cities, rock cities,

fields of towers which are characterized
in the famous landscape of the tepuis.

But nobody could have imagined

what was happening inside a mountain
in so long a time frame.

And so I was focusing in 2010
on one of those massifs,

the Auyán-tepui, which is very famous
because it hosts Angel Falls,

which is the highest
waterfall in the world –

about 979 meters of vertical drop.

And I was searching for hints
of the existence of cave systems

through satellite images,

and finally we identified an area
of collapses of the surface –

so, big boulders, rock piles –

and that means that there
was a void below.

It was a clear indication that there
was something inside the mountain.

So we did several attempts
to reach this area,

by land and with a helicopter,

but it was really difficult
because – you have to imagine

that these mountains are covered
by clouds most of the year, by fog.

There are strong winds,

and there are almost 4,000 millimeters
of rainfall per year,

so it’s really, really difficult
to find good conditions.

And only in 2013 we finally
landed on the spot

and we started
the exploration of the cave.

The cave is huge.

It’s a huge network under the surface
of the tepui plateau,

and in only ten days of expedition,

we explored more than 20 kilometers
of cave passages.

And it’s a huge network
of underground rivers,

channels, big rooms,
extremely deep shafts.

So it’s really an incredible place.

And we named it Imawarì Yeuta.

That means, in the Pemón indigenous
language, “The House of the Gods.”

You have to imagine that indigenous people
have never been there.

It was impossible for them
to reach this area.

However, there were legends
about the existence

of a cave in the mountain.

So when we started the exploration,

we had to explore with a great respect,

both because of the religious beliefs
of the indigenous people,

but also because
it was really a sacred place,

because no human had entered there before.

So we had to use special protocols

to not contaminate the environment
with our presence,

and we tried also to share
with the community,

with the indigenous community,
our discoveries.

And the caves represent, really,
a snapshot of the past.

The time needed for their formation

could be as long as 50 or even
100 million years,

which makes them possibly the oldest caves
that we can explore on earth.

What you can find there
is really evidence of a lost world.

When you enter a quartzite cave,

you have to completely forget
what you know about caves –

classic limestone caves
or the touristic caves

that you can visit
in several places in the world.

Because what seems
a simple stalactite here

is not made by calcium carbonate,
but is made by opal,

and one of those stalactites can require
tens of millions of years to be formed.

But you can find even stranger forms,
like these mushrooms of silica

growing on a boulder.

And you can imagine our talks
when we were exploring the cave.

We were the first entering
and discovering those unknown things,

things like those monster eggs.

And we were a bit scared
because it was all a discovery,

and we didn’t want to find a dinosaur.

We didn’t find a dinosaur.

(Laughter)

Anyway, actually, we know
that this kind of formation,

after several studies,

we know that these kinds of formations
are living organisms.

They are bacterial colonies using silica
to build mineral structures

resembling stromatolites.

Stromatolites are some of the oldest
forms of life that we can find on earth.

And here in the tepuis,

the interesting thing is that these
bacteria colonies have evolved

in complete isolation
from the external surface,

and without being in contact with humans.

They have never been
in contact with humans.

So the implications
for science are enormous,

because here you could find,
for example, microbes

that could be useful to resolve
diseases in medicine,

or you could find even a new kind
of material with unknown properties.

And, in fact, we discovered in the cave
a new mineral structure for science,

which is rossiantonite,
a phosphate-sulfate.

So whatever you find in the cave,
even a small cricket,

has evolved in the dark
in complete isolation.

And, really, everything that you can feel
in the cave are real connections

between the biological
and the mineralogical world.

So as we explore this dark continent

and discover its mineralogical
and biological diversity and uniqueness,

we will find probably clues
about the origin of life on our planet

and on the relationship
and evolution of life

in relationship with the mineral world.

What seems only a dark, empty environment

could be in reality a chest of wonders

full of useful information.

With a team of Italian, Venezuelan
and Brazilian speleologists,

which is called La Venta Teraphosa,

we will be back soon to Latin America,

because we want to explore other tepuis
in the farthest areas of the Amazon.

There are still very unknown mountains,

like Marahuaca, which is almost
3,000 meters high above sea level,

or Aracà, which is in the upper region
of Rio Negro in Brazil.

And we suppose that we could find there
even bigger cave systems,

and each one with its own
undiscovered world.

Thank you.

(Applause)

Bruno Giussani: Thank you, Francesco.
Give me that to start so we don’t forget.

Francesco, you said we don’t need
to go to Mars to find alien life,

and indeed, last time we spoke,
you were in Sardinia

and you were training European astronauts.

So what do you, a speleologist,
tell and teach to the astronauts?

Francesco Sauro: Yeah, we are –
it’s a program of training

for not only European, but also NASA,
Roskosmos, JAXA astronauts, in a cave.

So they stay in a cave
for about one week in isolation.

They have to work together
in a real, real dangerous environment,

and it’s a real alien environment for them
because it’s unusual.

It’s always dark. They have to do science.
They have a lot of tasks.

And it’s very similar to a journey to Mars

or the International Space Station.

BG: In principle.
FS: Yes.

BG: I want to go back
to one of the pictures

that was in your slide show,

and it’s just representative
of the other photos –

Weren’t those photos amazing? Yeah?

Audience: Yeah!

(Applause)

FS: I have to thank the photographers
from the team La Venta,

because all of those photos
are from the photographers.

BG: You bring, actually, photographers
with you in the expedition.

They’re professionals,
they’re speleologists and photographers.

But when I look at these pictures,
I wonder: there is zero light down there,

and yet they look incredibly well-exposed.

How do you take these pictures?

How do your colleagues,
the photographers, take these pictures?

FS: Yeah. They are working
in a darkroom, basically,

so you can open the shutter of the camera

and use the lights
to paint the environment.

BG: So you’re basically –

FS: Yes. You can even keep
the shutter open for one minute

and then paint the environment.

The final result is what
you want to achieve.

BG: You spray the environment with light
and that’s what you get.

Maybe we can try this at home
someday, I don’t know.

(Laughter)

BG: Francesco, grazie.
FS: Grazie.

(Applause)

我想邀请

你一起去

参观一个黑暗的大陆。

它是隐藏

在地球表面之下的大陆。

它在很大程度上是未经探索的,

知之甚少的,
而且是传说中的东西。

但它也是由

像这个巨大的地下室这样的戏剧性景观组成的

,它富含令人惊讶的
生物和矿物学世界。

感谢勇敢的航海者
在过去三个世纪中的努力——

事实上,我们当然也知道
卫星技术——

我们几乎了解
地球表面的每一平方米。

然而,我们
对地球内部隐藏的东西仍然知之甚少。

由于洞穴景观,
如意大利的这个深井,是隐藏的,

洞穴探索的潜力
——地理维度——

人们知之甚少,也没有得到重视。

因为我们是
生活在地表的生物,所以

我们对地球内部的看法

在某些方面是有偏差的,

就像对海洋深度

或高层大气的看法一样。

然而,自从
大约一个世纪前开始系统的洞穴探索以来,

我们实际上知道
世界上每个大陆都有洞穴存在。

单一的洞穴系统,
如肯塔基州的猛犸洞,

长达600多公里。

而像Krubera Voronya这样的深渊
,位于高加索地区,

实际上
是世界上探索过的最深的洞穴,

可以深入到地表以下2000多
米。

这意味着洞穴探险者需要数周的旅程

洞穴在喀斯特地区形成。

因此,岩溶地区是世界


沿裂缝、裂缝下渗的水

很容易溶解可溶岩性的区域,

形成
隧道、管道的排水系统——

实际上是一个三维网络。

喀斯特地区几乎覆盖
了大陆表面的 20%

,实际上我们知道,
过去 50 年的洞穴学家

已经探索
了世界各地大约 30,000 公里的洞穴通道,

这是一个很大的数字。

但地质学家估计

,仍有大约 1000 万公里的距离有待发现和绘制。

这意味着,对于
我们已经知道

,我们探索过的每一米洞穴,

仍有几十
公里未被发现的通道。

那意味着这真的
是一片无尽的大陆

,我们永远无法
完全探索它。

而且这种估计是在
没有考虑其他类型的洞穴的情况下进行的,

例如,在冰川内部
甚至是火山洞穴,

它们不是岩溶,
而是由熔岩流形成的。

如果我们看看其他
行星,例如火星,

你会发现这个

特征并不是我们的母星所特有的。

不过,我现在要向你们展示
,我们不需要去

火星探索外星世界。

我是一个洞穴学家,这意味着
一个洞穴探险家。 当

我还很小的时候,我就怀着这种热情


离我的家乡意大利北部不远的山区,

在阿尔卑斯山
和多洛米蒂山脉的喀斯特地区。

但很快,对探索的追求
将我带到了地球最远的

角落,寻找

这片未被发现的大陆的新潜在入口。

2009 年,我有
机会参观了

位于奥里诺科
和亚马逊盆地的特普伊桌山。

这些地块
从我第一次看到它们时就让我着迷。

它们被垂直的、
令人眩晕的岩壁


消失在森林中的银色瀑布所包围。

它们真的激发了我
一种旷野的感觉

,一种灵魂比数百万年还要古老

这一戏剧性的风景也
启发了

柯南道尔
1912 年的“失落的世界”小说。

他们真的是一个失落的世界。

科学家们将这些山脉
视为时间上的岛屿,

从数千万年前就与周围的低地分离

它们周围环绕
着高达1000米的城墙,

宛如一座堡垒
,人类坚不可摧。

而且,事实上,
这些山峰中只有少数几座被攀登

和探索过。

这些山脉还蕴含着
一个科学悖论:

它们是由石英构成的,

而石英是地壳上非常常见的矿物

而由石英构成的岩石
被称为石英岩,

而石英岩是
地球上最坚硬、溶解度最低的矿物之一。

所以我们根本不期望在
那里找到一个洞穴。

尽管如此,在过去的 10 年里,
来自意大利、

斯洛伐克、捷克共和国
,当然还有委内瑞拉和巴西的洞穴学家

已经探索了该地区的几个洞穴。

那么怎么可能呢?

要理解这个矛盾,
我们要考虑时间因素,

因为tepuis的历史
极其悠久,

从大约16亿年前
岩石的形成开始,到

1.5亿年前随着该地区的隆升而演化,


泛大陆超大陆的破坏

和大西洋的开放之后。

所以你可以想象,水用了几千万
甚至几亿年的时间

,在tepuis的表面上雕刻出最奇特的形态

也打开了裂缝
,形成了著名的石城、岩石城、

塔场。
tepuis 的景观。

但是没有人能想象这么长的时间

里,一座山里面发生了什么

所以我在 2010 年专注于
其中一个山丘,

即 Auyán-tepui,它非常有名,
因为它拥有天使瀑布,

这是世界上最高的
瀑布——

垂直落差约为 979 米。

我正在通过卫星图像寻找
洞穴系统存在的迹象

,最后我们确定了一个
表面塌陷的区域 -

所以,大石块,岩石堆

  • 这意味着
    下面有一个空洞。

很明显,
山里面有东西。

所以我们做了几次
尝试,

通过陆地和直升机到达这个地区,

但这真的很困难,
因为 - 你必须

想象这些山脉
一年中的大部分时间都被云层覆盖,被雾所覆盖。

风很大

,每年有将近4000毫米
的降雨量

,所以真的
很难找到好的条件。

直到 2013 年,我们才终于
登陆现场

,开始
了对洞穴的探索。

洞穴很大。

这是特普伊高原地表下的巨大网络

,仅仅十天的探险,

我们就探索了20多公里
的洞穴通道。

这是一个
由地下河流、

通道、大房间、
极深的竖井组成的巨大网络。

所以这真的是一个不可思议的地方。

我们将其命名为 Imawarì Yeuta。

这意味着,在佩蒙土著
语言中,“众神之家”。

你必须想象土著人
从未到过那里。

他们
不可能到达这个区域。

然而,有
关于

山中存在洞穴的传说。

所以当我们开始探索的时候,

我们必须怀着极大的敬意去探索,

既是因为
土著人的宗教信仰,

也是因为
它真的是一个神圣的地方,

因为之前没有人进入过那里。

所以我们不得不使用特殊的协议

来避免
我们的存在污染环境

,我们还试图
与社区

、土著社区分享
我们的发现。

洞穴真的代表
了过去的快照。

它们形成所需的时间

可能长达 50 甚至
1 亿年,

这使得它们可能
是我们可以在地球上探索的最古老的洞穴。

你能在那里找到的东西
确实是一个失落世界的证据。

当您进入一个石英岩洞穴时,

您必须完全
忘记您对洞穴的了解——

经典的石灰岩洞穴

您可以
在世界多个地方参观的旅游洞穴。

因为
这里看似简单的钟乳石,

不是碳酸钙制成的,
而是蛋白石制成的,

而其中一个钟乳石可能需要
数千万年才能形成。

但是你可以找到更奇怪的形式,
比如这些

长在巨石上的二氧化硅蘑菇。

当我们探索洞穴时,你可以想象我们的谈话

我们是第一个进入
并发现那些未知事物的人,

比如那些怪物蛋。

我们有点害怕,
因为这都是一个发现

,我们不想找到恐龙。

我们没有找到恐龙。

(笑声)

反正其实我们
知道这种阵法,

经过几次研究,

我们知道这种阵法
是活的有机体。

它们是使用
二氧化硅构建

类似于叠层石的矿物结构的细菌菌落。

叠层石
是我们在地球上能找到的最古老的生命形式。

在 tepuis 中

,有趣的是,这些
细菌菌落是

在与外表面完全隔离的情况下进化而来的

并且没有与人类接触。

他们从未
与人类接触过。

所以对科学的影响
是巨大的,

因为在这里你可以找到
例如

可以用于解决
医学疾病的微生物,

或者你甚至可以找到一种
具有未知特性的新材料。

而且,事实上,我们在洞穴中发现了
一种新的科学矿物结构,

即红磷灰石,
一种磷酸盐硫酸盐。

因此,无论你在洞穴中发现什么,
即使是一只小蟋蟀,

都是在黑暗
中完全孤立地进化而来的。

而且,真的,你在洞穴里能感觉到的一切
都是

生物
和矿物世界之间的真正联系。

因此,当我们探索这片黑暗的大陆

并发现它的矿物学
和生物多样性和独特性时,

我们可能会找到
关于我们星球上生命起源以及

生命与矿物世界关系和进化的线索。

看起来只是一个黑暗、空旷的环境

,实际上可能是一个

充满有用信息的奇观。

由意大利、委内瑞拉
和巴西的洞穴学家

组成的团队,名为 La Venta Teraphosa,

我们很快就会回到拉丁美洲,

因为我们想探索
亚马逊最远地区的其他 tepuis。

还有一些非常不为人知的山脉,

比如海拔近
3000 米的

马拉瓦卡,或位于巴西里奥内格罗上游地区
的阿拉卡。

我们假设我们可以在那里找到
更大的洞穴系统,每个洞穴系统

都有自己
未被发现的世界。

谢谢你。

(掌声)

Bruno Giussani: 谢谢你,Francesco。
让我开始吧,这样我们就不会忘记。

Francesco,你说我们不需要
去火星寻找外星生命

,事实上,上次我们说话时,
你在撒丁岛

,你正在训练欧洲宇航员。

那么,作为洞穴学家,
你是如何向宇航员讲述和教导的呢?

Francesco Sauro:是的,我们是——
这不仅是针对欧洲的培训计划

,还针对 NASA、
Roskosmos、JAXA 的宇航员在洞穴中进行。

所以他们在山洞
里隔离了大约一个星期。

他们必须
在一个真实的、真正危险的环境中

一起工作,这对他们来说是一个真正陌生的环境,
因为它不寻常。

它总是黑暗的。 他们必须做科学。
他们有很多任务。

这与前往火星或国际空间站的旅程非常相似

BG:原则上。
FS:是的。

BG:我想回到

你幻灯片

中的一张照片,它只是其他照片的代表——

那些照片不是很棒吗? 是的?

观众:对!

(掌声)

FS:我要感谢
La Venta团队的摄影师,

因为这些照片
都是摄影师的。

BG:实际上
,你在探险时会带上摄影师。

他们是专业人士,
他们是洞穴学家和摄影师。

但是当我看到这些照片时,
我想知道:那里的光线为零

,但它们看起来却曝光得非常好。

你是怎么拍这些照片的?

你的同事
,摄影师,是怎么拍这些照片的?

FS:是的。 他们
基本上是在暗房里工作,

所以你可以打开相机的快门

,用灯光
来描绘环境。

BG:所以你基本上是——

FS:是的。 您甚至可以
将快门打开一分钟

,然后绘制环境。

最终的结果就是
你想要达到的。

BG:你用光喷洒环境
,这就是你得到的。

也许有一天我们可以在家里试试这个
,我不知道。

(笑声)

BG:Francesco,grazie。
FS:感恩。

(掌声)