The science of behavioral change

[Music]

so

i’m from oregon originally and i grew up

kind of in the middle of nowhere

the nearest town was like five miles

away and i’m using the term town

pretty loosely total population was like

150 people

i just didn’t really fit in very well i

love science

and logic and i wore my pants pulled up

way too high

and because the gods hate teenagers

appearing serious and rational is pretty

much a lost cause when you’re that age

eighth grade is just embarrassing for

everyone and i remember this one

experience

so clearly i was headed out of school at

the end of the day and a spider

had constructed a web right about base

level

for a teenager very considerate spider

and so when i walked out to go be with

my friends i got a face full of

spiderweb

and if you’ve ever seen someone walk

into a spider web from far away

it’s sort of an amazing thing right

they’re walking they’re walking totally

reasonable totally sane nothing weird

and then

out of the blue from nowhere they just

start freaking out

it looks like they’re like doing kung fu

against ghosts you know it’s crazy

all of a sudden out of nowhere they just

look insane

and of course my friends saw it and of

course they teased me about being

completely

out of my mind because it is the job of

your friends to remind you

that you’re not whoever you want to be

if you want to be a scientist when you

grow up they’ll tease you

about being irrational and of course i

did grow up to be a scientist

and what’s better i grew up to be a

scientist that studies irrationality

and so how people make decisions related

to their emotions and other things so

this talk is really just my way of

saying screw you

teenage classmates i made it right i am

here

but more importantly i want to talk

about walking into spider webs

in some sense everyone watching this

is like teenage me we want to be thought

of as rational and reasonable because in

many ways that’s how we culturally

define intelligence there’s

nothing wrong with that i am totally on

board with wanting people

to act based on evidence i’m a scientist

and so to take an orderly approach to

problem solving

seems very important to me but where i

start to get uncomfortable

isn’t with how we use reasonable but

with the reverse and how we label people

unreasonable or irrational because

there’s no doubt

unreasonable and irrational our

descriptions that we use to punish

people

and to keep them from sources of power

and participating in power fully

the women watching this know what i’m

talking about we love to call women

irrational as a way of belittling them

of implying

that their actions come from a place of

emotion rather than logic or evidence

the research here is you know sort of

endless you can look at the performance

reviews of women in the workplace

and find all of these adjectives that

are used to consistently describe women

as irrational or emotional or

you know sort of other kinds of

stereotype judgments about their basis

of their thing and they never sort of

see that in men’s performance reviews

you don’t see the same use of adjectives

you can even see it actually

um in in when we’re describing imaginary

women right in fiction

they actually have the same sort of use

of emotional adjective this is a

systematic pervasive problem in how we

identify women

and it isn’t just about gender think

about young black men

right young black men are more likely to

drop out of high school less likely to

go to college

surely they want to be successful and

surely they know education is a factor

in their future success how can they not

be putting

those two things together how can they

be so irrational

and of course it isn’t just gender and

race it’s not just women and black men

you can see this across the board

when poor world whites support you know

a

certain type of political candidate the

media often describes them as voting

against their rational self-interest

which is usually code for the fact that

their economic potential will go down

as a result of the policies of that

candidate i mean surely they realize

that cutting taxes on the rich will put

a larger burden on the working poor

how can they be so irrational

but what is irrational really i mean

hopefully you can all acknowledge that

when i walked into that spider web i was

acting perfectly rationally right

something was restricting my mouth

and i reacted to clear it you know and

if i say it in a particular voice it

really does sound particularly rational

perfectly sort of understandable even if

the action itself looks very strange i

mean try to think of my action as

narrated by like dan rather

something restricted his mouth and he

acted quickly to remove it

you know that sounds really good the

reason walking into spiderwebs appears

irrational is because the observer

doesn’t see the spider web that is they

don’t see the pressures that created the

behavior they only see

the behavior itself and because the

behavior itself

seems on the surface inexplicable your

mind doesn’t say oh yes

maybe he walked into a spider web maybe

that’s why he’s acting so crazy it just

seems

like i just all of a sudden started

acting bizarre and so when we judge

people

only on the behavior and not on the

pressures that create the behavior

because they’re invisible to us

then that’s where this we start calling

people irrational that’s where this

problem comes in

i mean let’s go back to women in the

workplace for a second it is a fact

an indisputable 100 true

economists agree fact that women are

underpaid relative to their male

counterparts

and part of the reason for that is women

act in a way that appears irrational

with regard to pay equity they don’t ask

for raises as often they don’t take

credit for their accomplishments

as often they don’t speak up in meetings

as often

and so they don’t get promoted as often

but those behaviors

aren’t random they’re not imaginary they

don’t ask for raises because we

socialize them not to

and we punish them when they do they

don’t take credit for their

accomplishments for the same reasons we

socialize them not to and then punish

them if they do

women don’t speak up in meetings because

men don’t shut up long enough for them

to do so

and if they do speak up or they

interrupt us so that they have a space

to talk we call them bossy

and we go back to labeling them with

emotional adjectives but

men don’t typically see all those

pressures that are creating those

behaviors

they don’t see systematic bias they

don’t see the socialization they don’t

see the punishments

so they look at the behaviors and they

say well this is a meritocracy these

women are silent in meetings and they

don’t seem to have any accomplishments

that they’re telling me about so there’s

no reason for me to promote them

this pattern plays out over and over and

over and over again in situations of

systematic bias

our young black men absolutely know that

education is fundamental to success

they also know that they are massively

more likely to be incarcerated or killed

by the police and deprived of their

opportunity to use

that education which makes spending time

elsewhere while they’re young

perfectly understandable and poor whites

who support

candidates are voting based on more than

just their economic self-interest

right the need to belong is a very core

fundamental human identity need

and candidates offer it to them they say

you know wear the hat

say the slogan and you too can be part

of the movement

we call all of these people unreasonable

because we don’t actually

understand the pressures that are

affecting them the pressures that are

creating

those behaviors and rather than trying

to understand those pressures trying to

to see where things come from it’s

easier to simply say that they don’t

exist

right just call women unambitious or

young black men lazy

poor rural whites stupid it’s easier to

say

there’s something wrong with the people

than to acknowledge

how their environment affects them and

when those judgments come from someone

with power

we have a recipe for an incredibly toxic

cycle an incredibly toxic system it

isn’t just that people are being labeled

those labels then become the

justification

for oppressing them when we deny the

existence of the spider webs we are free

to say that those people act

too unpredictably too irrationally to

participate

in power so what

i want to propose that in a world of

spider webs we need a

very specific approach to change

compassionate

scientific activism compassionate

scientific activism

why compassionate well compassion is the

first step in changing

behavior because compassion says i

believe

that the pressures that may be affecting

you

are things i can’t see and so i will

treat you with kindness and assume that

your behavior is based on something real

real to you

and when you look at modern therapy like

dialectical behavioral therapy dbt

right they make this a routine part of

how people understand each other right

validation it’s a skill they teach right

now notice by the way i’m not asking you

to agree with all behavior

that isn’t what validation is i

certainly don’t agree with dropping out

of high school

or voting for bad oppressive leaders

assuming that someone’s behavior is

based on something real to them doesn’t

mean you agree with the thing that

they’re doing

but if you don’t accept their behavior

as valid within the domain of their

experience

valid according to real pressures that

affect them

the only alternative is to believe that

their behavior is random

and random behavior by definition can’t

be changed

but that’s what we’re really talking

about getting rid of the use of rational

to label behavior matters

because ultimately we want to change

those behaviors for the better

we don’t want women to sit silently in

meetings we don’t want young black men

to drop out of high school

we don’t want poor rural whites

to vote for leaders that will oppress

them

but we can’t hope to change behavior we

don’t see those behaviors as

fundamentally driven by real pressures

that can be changed

and so we need to be compassionate and

accept that spider webs

exist but compassion isn’t enough

because it isn’t enough to say i believe

your experiences

are real compassion is necessary but

it’s not sufficient

this is where science comes in because

if compassion says

i believe that spider webs exist science

says

and i believe so much i believe so much

that those spiderwebs exist that i will

go find them that’s what research is

research makes the invisible forces

visible

now it’s important to take a second to

emphasize here i’m talking about science

not scientists

science as a process is specifically

about

finding and understanding the things

that shape other things right it’s about

finding and understanding those spider

webs scientists like me as practitioners

of science are highly

flawed and subject to bias and have

played a huge part in creating the world

in which we exist today i’m a scientist

and you can ask anyone i am highly

highly flawed

and full of biases but we need the

process that is science to

map the spider webs and show that they

exist because we already do this for the

people we decided irrational

i didn’t pick women and young black men

and poor rural whites randomly as

examples

we use the notion of irrationality to

perpetuate a sexist

racist classist power structure that

continues to bend over backwards to put

white men like me at the top

and because we put white men at the top

we study the pressures that shape their

behavior

more than anyone else’s guaranteeing

that we understand

those pressures and can support our

notion of their rationality in this sort

of endless loop because we see their

spider webs

when they act imperfectly we are more

likely to

attribute their imperfections to their

environment rather than to them and so

we’re

best at changing the behaviors of white

men and creating a better world for them

because we understand the pressures

that affect them and if we want to

change behavior for everyone

then we need to include everyone in our

understanding of how

pressures change behavior we have to be

diverse and inclusive

in our research as scientists all right

so we started with compassion we’ve

added science

but even compassionate science isn’t

enough i am

a phd dropout and i left academia

primarily because i found out

that it is gnostic in nature that is the

way you measure success in academia is

by generating

unique knowledge and that’s not a bad

thing remember i want us to see the

spiders to find out that they actually

exist

but if someone is struggling in a spider

web i don’t want to be the person

describing the thickness of the threads

if someone is struggling

i want to be the person who tries to set

them free

and that’s why we need action that last

word that activism

because compassion says i can’t see the

spider web but i believe that it is

there

right and science says and i believe so

hard so

hard that i will find that spider web

but his only action only activism that

says

and when i find it when i find that

spider web

i will tear it down i left academia and

became an applied scientist because it

allows me to take that last step to find

the systematic spider webs and start to

pull them apart we live in a world

of deep structural inequity some people

are just realizing this but some have

experienced it their whole lives

i like spider webs to talk about this

because they aren’t accidental they’re

well structured

they’re deliberate and they’re designed

to ensnare

and if we want to change the world that

we live in the deeply unequal place that

we have built together

we need to learn and practice these

three skills

compassion and science and activism are

not just philosophies

they’re behaviors ways of being and it’s

incumbent on all of us to want to

create change and to learn these tools

to do so

because this transformation from

focusing on behaviors to focusing on

pressures

is magical it’s one of the most

immediately impactful things that any of

us can do because instead of trying to

box people

in by dealing with their irrationalities

we reconfigure the systems to set them

free

we weaken some pressures and strengthen

others to help create an environment

where people can behave according to

their best intentions

to the things they actually are there

that are important to them like their

beliefs and their values

now look that doesn’t mean everyone will

act the same or even act well

because we have tremendous variety in

our beliefs and values

but we want people to be able to act

authentically that’s what real

rationality is the chance to do what we

believe in

to make actions and intentions line up

and when we do that with compassionate

scientific activism we get to a better

world

we believe people when they say their

spider webs exist we spend time

and money and energy finding and

understanding

those spider webs and then we tear them

down

because when you clear away the cobwebs

you find out who’s really doing kung fu

against ghosts

and who’s struggling to be free

struggling to pull the strings from

their mouth

struggling to breathe so let’s do it

again

compassionate i believe the spider webs

exist

scientific i find and study them

activism i tear them down compassionate

scientific activism thank you so much

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所以

我最初来自俄勒冈州,我在

一个偏僻的

地方长大,最近的城镇大约有 5 英里

远,我用城镇这个词

很松散,总人口像

150 人,

我只是没有 真的很适合我

喜欢科学

和逻辑,我把裤子

拉得太高了

,因为上帝讨厌青少年

表现出严肃和理性,这

几乎是一个失败的原因,当你

八年级的时候,这对每个人来说都是尴尬的,

而且 我清楚地记得这一次

经历,我

在一天结束时离开学校,一只蜘蛛

为一个非常体贴的少年蜘蛛构建了一个大约基本水平的网

,所以当我出去和

我的朋友们在一起时,我得到了 一张满是蜘蛛网的脸

,如果你曾经见过有人

从远处走进蜘蛛网,

那真是一件了不起的事情

他们只是

开始吓坏了

,看起来他们就像在

对鬼做功夫,你知道

这突然之间很疯狂,他们只是

看起来很疯狂

,当然我的朋友们看到了,

当然他们取笑我

完全

出局了 我的想法,因为你的朋友的工作

就是提醒你

如果你长大后想成为一名科学家,你不是你想成为的人

,他们会取笑

你不理性,当然我

确实长大了 成为一名科学家

,更好的是我长大后成为一名

研究非理性的科学家,

以及人们如何做出

与他们的情绪和其他事情相关的决定,所以

这次谈话真的只是我

说你这些

青少年同学的方式,我做对了,我是

在这里,

但更重要的是,我想谈谈

在某种意义上走进蜘蛛网的每个人

都像十几岁的我一样,我们希望被

认为是理性和合理的,因为在

很多方面,这就是我们在文化上

定义智能的方式

我完全

同意让人们

根据证据采取行动并

没有错 我们如何使用合理

但反过来使用以及我们如何给人们贴上

不合理或不合理的标签,因为

毫无疑问

,我们用来惩罚

人们

并使他们远离权力来源

并充分参与权力的描述是不合理和不合理的

观看此视频的女性知道什么 我

说的是我们喜欢称女性

不理性,以此贬低她们

暗示她们的行为来自

情感而非逻辑或证据

这里的研究是你知道的

无止境你可以看看绩效

评估 工作场所的女性,

并找到所有这些形容词,这些形容词

总是用来形容

女性不理性或情绪化,或者

你知道其他种类的

对他们事物基础的刻板印象判断

,他们从来没有

看到在男性的绩效评估中

你看不到形容词的相同用法,

你甚至可以

在我们在小说中描述想象中的女性时看到

它实际上 对情感形容词有同样的使用

这是

我们如何识别女性的一个系统性普遍问题

,这不仅仅是性别问题

想想年轻的黑人男性

吧 年轻的黑人男性更有可能

从高中辍学 不太可能

去 上大学,

他们肯定想成功,

当然他们知道教育

是他们未来成功的一个因素,他们怎么能不

把这两件事放在一起,他们怎么

能如此不理性

,当然不仅仅是性别和

种族,这不仅仅是 女人和黑人

当贫穷的世界白人支持你时,你可以全面看到这一点 你知道

某种类型的政治候选人

媒体经常将他们描述为

投票反对他们的理性选择 f-interest

这通常是

他们的经济潜力

将因该候选人的政策而下降这一事实的代码

我的意思是他们肯定

意识到对富人减税会给

工作的穷人带来更大的

负担 如此不合理,

但什么是不合理的,我的意思是

希望你们都承认,

当我走进那个蜘蛛网时,我的

行为完全理性正确,

有些东西限制了我的嘴巴

,我的反应是清除它,你知道,

如果我用特定的声音说

听起来确实特别合理,

完全可以理解,

即使动作本身看起来很奇怪

走进蜘蛛网看起来

不合理的原因是因为观察者

没有看到蜘蛛网,也就是说他们

没有看到产生行为的

压力 vior 他们只

看到行为本身,因为

行为本身

在表面上似乎莫名其妙,你的

大脑不会说哦,是的,

也许他走进了蜘蛛网,也许

这就是为什么他表现得如此疯狂,

就像我突然开始

表现得很奇怪,所以当我们

只根据行为而不是

造成行为的压力来判断人们时,

因为他们对我们来说是不可见

的,这就是我们开始称

人们非理性的地方,这就是

问题所在

我的意思是让我们回到女性身上 在

工作场所,这是一个无可争辩的事实

100 位真正的

经济学家都同意这样一个事实,即女性

相对于男性同行的薪酬偏低

,部分原因是女性

薪酬平等方面的行为方式似乎不合理。

不经常要求加薪 他们不把

自己的成就归功于自己

iors

不是随机的 他们不是虚构的 他们

不要求加薪是因为我们

不让他们社交

,当他们这样做时我们会惩罚他们

如果他们这样做了就惩罚他们

女人不会在会议上发言,因为

男人没有足够长的时间让他们

这样做

,如果他们说话或

打断我们以便他们有

空间交谈,我们称他们为专横

和专横 我们回到用情感形容词给他们贴上标签,

男人通常不会

看到造成这些

行为的所有压力

他们没有看到系统性偏见 他们

没有看到社会化 他们没有

看到惩罚

所以他们看 行为,他们

说这是一种精英管理 这些

女性在会议上保持沉默,她们

似乎没有任何

他们告诉我的成就,所以

我没有理由推销她们

这种模式一遍又一遍地上演

我又一遍 在

系统性偏见

的情况下,我们的年轻黑人绝对知道

教育是成功的基础,

他们也知道他们

更有可能被警察监禁或杀害

,并被剥夺了

使用教育的机会,这使得

他们在其他地方度过时光 “年轻人是

完全可以理解的

,支持

候选人的贫穷白人不仅仅是基于

他们的经济

自利权利进行投票

口号和你也可以成为

我们称所有这些人不合理的运动的一部分,

因为我们实际上并不

了解

影响他们的压力

造成

这些行为的压力,而不是

试图理解那些

试图看到的压力 事情

是从哪里来的 s 或

年轻的黑人 懒惰

贫穷的农村白人 愚蠢 说

人民有问题

比承认

他们的环境如何影响他们更容易,

当这些判断来自

有权力的人时,

我们有一个令人难以置信的有毒

循环的秘诀 一个令人难以置信的有毒系统

当我们

否认蜘蛛网的存在时,不仅仅是人们被贴上了这些标签然后成为压迫他们的理由我们可以自由

地说那些人的行为

太不可预测太不合理以至于无法

参与权力所以

我想要什么 建议在蜘蛛网的世界中,

我们需要一种

非常具体的方法来改变

富有同情心的

科学行动主义

‘看不见,所以我会

善待你,并假设

你的行为是基于 在对你来说真实的事情上

,当你看现代疗法,比如

辩证行为疗法

dbt 是的,他们把它作为人们相互理解的常规部分,

正确的

验证,这是他们现在教的一种技能,

注意我不是问你的方式

同意所有

不是验证的

行为

他们正在做,

但是如果你不接受他们的行为

在他们的经验范围内是

有效的,根据影响他们的真实压力是有效的,

唯一的选择是相信

他们的行为是随机的,

而根据定义,随机行为不可能

是 改变了,

但这就是我们真正在

谈论摆脱使用理性

来标记行为问题,

因为最终我们希望改变

这些行为,让我们变得更好

不希望女性在

会议中默默地坐着我们不希望年轻的黑人男性

从高中辍学

我们不希望贫穷的农村

白人投票给会压迫

他们的领导人

但我们不能指望改变我们的行为

不要认为这些行为

从根本上是由可以改变的真实压力驱动的

,所以我们需要富有同情心并

接受蜘蛛网的

存在,但同情是不够的,

因为说我相信

你的经历

是真正的同情是不够的 是必要的,但这

还不够,

这就是科学的用武之地,因为

如果同情说

我相信蜘蛛网的存在,科学会

,我相信太多,我

相信那些蜘蛛网的存在,我会

去寻找它们,这就是

研究所做的研究 看不见的力量

现在可见,重要的是要在

这里强调一下,我说的是科学

而不是

科学家 其他的事情是关于

发现和理解

像我这样的蜘蛛网科学家作为

科学从业者有很大的

缺陷和偏见,并且

在创造我们今天存在的世界中发挥了巨大的作用

我是一名科学家

,你可以问任何人 我有

很大的缺陷

和偏见,但我们需要

科学的过程来

绘制蜘蛛网并表明它们

存在,因为我们已经为

我们认为不合理的人这样做了

我没有选择女性和年轻的黑人男性

和穷人 农村白人随机作为

例子,

我们使用非理性的概念来

延续性别歧视的

种族主义阶级权力结构,这种权力结构

继续向后弯曲,将

像我

这样的白人置于顶端,因为我们把白人置于顶端,

我们研究了塑造他们的压力

行为

比其他任何人都更能

保证我们理解

这些压力,并且可以

在这种无休止的循环中支持我们关于它们的合理性的概念,

因为我们看到了

当他们的行为不完美时,继承人的蜘蛛网我们更有

可能将

他们的不完美归因于他们的

环境而不是他们,因此

我们

最擅长改变白人的行为

并为他们创造一个更美好的世界,

因为我们

了解影响他们的压力 如果我们想

改变每个人的行为,

那么我们需要让每个人都参与到我们

压力如何改变行为的理解中

作为科学家,我们必须在我们的研究中保持多元化和包容性,

所以我们从同情开始,我们

添加了科学,

但甚至是富有同情心的 科学是

不够的,我是

一名博士辍学生,我离开学术界

主要是因为我

发现它本质上是诺斯替的,

你在学术界衡量成功的方式是

通过产生

独特的知识,这不是一件坏事,

记住我希望我们 看看

蜘蛛以发现它们确实

存在,

但如果有人在蜘蛛网中挣扎,

我不想成为描述厚度的人

如果有人在挣扎,

我想成为试图让

他们自由的人

,这就是为什么我们需要采取行动,最后

一句话是激进主义,

因为同情心说我看不到

蜘蛛网,但我相信它就在

那里 科学说,我相信

如此努力,

以至于我会找到蜘蛛网,

但他唯一的行动只是行动主义说

,当我找到它时,当我找到蜘蛛网时,

我会把它撕掉我离开学术界并

成为一名应用科学家,因为它

让我迈出最后一步,

找到系统性的蜘蛛网并开始

将它们分开我们生活在一个

结构性不平等的世界中,有些

人刚刚意识到这一点,但有些

人一生都经历过

我喜欢用蜘蛛网来谈论这个

因为它们不是偶然的,它们

结构良好,

它们是经过深思熟虑的,它们被设计

用来诱捕

,如果我们想改变

我们生活在我们共同建立的极度不平等的地方的世界,我们将

需要学习和实践这

三种技能

同情心、科学和行动主义

不仅仅是哲学,

它们是行为方式

,我们所有人都有责任想要

创造改变并学习这些工具

来做到这一点,

因为这种转变从

专注于 专注于

压力的行为

是神奇的,它

是我们任何人都可以做的最直接有影响力的事情之一,

因为我们不是试图

通过处理人们的不合理性

来将他们困在其中,而是重新配置系统以让他们

自由,

我们削弱了一些压力并加强了

其他压力 帮助创造一个环境

,让人们可以根据

他们的最佳意图

来对待他们实际存在

的对他们很重要的事情,比如他们的

信仰和价值观

现在看起来并不意味着每个人都会

采取同样的行动甚至表现良好,

因为我们有

我们的信仰和价值观千差万别,

但我们希望人们能够真实地行事

,这才是真正的

理性 有机会做我们

相信

的事情,使行动和意图一致

,当我们以富有同情心的科学行动主义做到这一点时,

我们会进入一个更美好的

世界,

当人们说他们的蜘蛛网存在时,我们相信人们,

我们会花费时间

、金钱和精力去寻找和

理解

那些蜘蛛网,然后我们撕掉

它们,

因为当你清除蜘蛛网时,

你会发现谁真的在对鬼做功夫

,谁在努力争取自由,

努力从嘴里拉出绳子,

努力呼吸,所以让我们再做

一次吧,

富有同情心的我 相信蜘蛛网

是科学存在的

我发现并研究它们

激进主义 我撕毁它们 富有同情心的

科学激进主义 非常感谢