Finding Faith Sex and Acceptance

[Music]

[Laughter]

sometimes

it’s really helpful to remember your

foundation

the place where you feel connected to

your core you know you’re standing on

solid ground

and no winds or anything else is going

to blow you off course

it’s especially important when new or

unusual situations hit you

it could be something that’s scary or it

could be

almost anything like discovering

something about your heritage

that you didn’t know or dealing with

your sexuality

and facing something you weren’t sure

about

or it could be realizing you have a

vocation

that isn’t going to make you a lot of

money

but that foundation is important then

but also i wondered why is that

foundation so important in the future

the event for me that helped me sort of

find my foundational truth so to speak

was when i was asked to lead a choir

retreat at a church

in hartford connecticut i was just

ordained an episcopal priest

i was sort of a new kid on the block i

had ideas i wanted to shake things up

and i’d heard about the four quaker

questions

and i thought what a great exercise for

this choir

they needed to get to know each other

and they could go as deep or as

shallow as they wanted to talking with

one another where did you grow up

how was your house heated what was the

center of warmth in your home and when

did you first know god loved you

and the choir did great there were about

12 people they shared

information they talked about their

experiences there was a deep sharing

especially for that last question

i heard people talk about my

grandparents were the ones who told me

that god loved me

and didn’t judge me or a time when a

spouse was ill or a family member died

that they had some awareness that there

was more going on there than just their

friends or their family that there was

something

more present something spiritual

that was walking that journey with them

now i had answers to those questions too

where did i grow up rural new jersey

what was the uh how was my house heated

forced hot air

i remember this big vent right in the

dining

in our dining room and you could stand

at it to stay warm

the center of warmth in our home the

kitchen and a butcher

block table and when did you first know

god loved you

oops you know when you lead these

retreats you should figure out your

answers before you lead the retreat

but i hadn’t figured it out and the

answer that jumped into my mind

was embarrassing because it was event

that happened during my second year of

being in graduate school in seminary

now you think if you’re going to go to

seminary

you would have figured out the god stuff

first

but you know there’s the head stuff and

then there’s the heart stuff

i could talk about god and theology and

scripture and saving the world and

making the world a better place

but being loved

so the story i ended up telling was

about my second year in seminary

i was in new york city as it happened

both my parents were having open heart

surgery

their surgeon was at columbia

presbyterian hospital i was at seminary

in lower manhattan

so every day i would go to school then

i’d get on the subway

i’d go 144 streets see my parents

get back on the subway come back do my

homework

talk about being stressed and one night

i got back to school and i was just

pissed

and exhausted and i went out on 10th

avenue and i took a walk

and i just railed at god

what do you want from me what more am i

supposed to do

what’s going what what do you want me to

do

so let me be clear no voice

no sign on a billboard

but there was some sense of inner

clarity

and a message came through that was sort

of like thad

i don’t want you to do anything

i’m your creator i love you you can’t do

anything i’m already with you

on these trips up and down manhattan

so i don’t know maybe it was stress

maybe it was exhaustion

but i decided to listen and even believe

that message little did i know

that it would shortly be the step the

foundation from which

i would come out to myself

you see for 27 years

i basically ignored the whole issue of

my sexuality

now in 2020 that might seem almost

impossible

and with therapy and a lot of work and

time i can look back and realize the

roots of that

but friends in 1979 i was clueless

i had no idea

so some friends and i oh i was also

in 1979 i was working in philadelphia i

took a year off from graduate school

to earn money to pay for my last year

and so some friends of mine and i

decided uh actually over this

president’s day weekend we went winter

camping

up in new hampshire the white mountains

and during that time i realized that my

best friend

something was off and i said to him at

one point

i i don’t know what’s going on i know

you’re having a hard time

but just know that i care about you and

if i can help you in any way

just let me know i’d be glad to talk

and much to my surprise he actually

called me up and he said

i want to get on the train come to

philadelphia we’ll have dinner we’ll

talk

i gotta get on the train the next

morning go back for school i said okay

that’d be great

and i had no idea what was coming

so he came down we had dinner and then

we sat down to talk

and he told me that the previous fall

he had had a gay experience even though

he

thought of himself as a straight man he

had a fiance

but he found this whole side of himself

that he

was both amazing and

sort of confusing and he was just trying

to figure out what was going on

he also said to me that he was a little

afraid

to tell me about this story

because he perceived me as something as

a jock and he wasn’t sure how i was

going to respond

and as it was i was actually the

executive director for the sport of

rowing in the united states at the time

but my response was totally supportive

how can i help i’m with you all the way

well to make a long and somewhat

complicated story

uh shorter that night i had my first

sexual same-sex experience

with my best friend and it was wonderful

but then the next morning i was scared

i said to him ah i’m not sure this

should ever happen again

and he had to get on the train to go to

school and i had to go to work

so i go to my car and it won’t start

coincidence i i don’t know but it meant

i had to walk to work

and on the walk i went past

the museum of modern art into fairmont

park

along the schoolkill river and

everything looked different the grass

was greener

the trees were greener the sky was bluer

everything was different and in a good

way

i got to work and decided this is

useless so i turned around and walked

back home

and sat down to write my best friend a

letter

i told him that what i realized is that

for

years i had hidden

my sexuality behind a great big brick

wall

i had just tucked it away and tried to

ignore it

as much as i could but that this

experience with him

had put a crack in that wall and light

was streaming through there was a

distraction

the light touched all parts of my being

and i realized i had a choice

i could either decide to plaster up the

crack

and stay in darkness or

i could start to dismantle the wall

and that’s when i remembered my

foundation that that i wasn’t alone

on this journey so i continued to write

and i said to him the reason i said i

don’t think this should happen again

is because i was afraid

and that instead my care for him maybe

even my love for him had somehow

allowed me to touch my sexuality

and even more scary to touch it as a gay

man

and i wondered if he would be willing to

talk

again long story short lots of

complications but

we were in a committed relationship for

three years

and i was on that journey of saying yes

to being a gay man

and figuring out ways to be open and out

on that journey

but at some point i wondered

what did i do with all those bricks

what does one do with all the

mental psychic emotional

all that energy that i used so much to

hide from my sexuality

when you start disbanding it what do you

do with it

and in looking back what i realize is i

used old bricks

to build bridges

when i left philadelphia and i went back

to school for my final year

where the first two years in new york

city had taken this rural kid

and just freaked me out all of a sudden

manhattan was kind of exciting

i had an opportunity for my field

placement to work with

shopping bag ladies homeless women who

lived on the street

i went interviewed with a group of roman

catholic nuns who had a ministry to

these women

and i said to sister bernanette i’m not

sure why i’m here

what what does a guy who went to a prep

school

in an ivy league college have to offer

a shopping bag lady and i will never

forget

bernadette looked me straight in the eye

and said to me

your presence

and suddenly a bridge started to be

built

that year twice a week from 11 p.m till

1 in the morning i would go to the

bus station at the port authority or the

train station at penn station and i

would seek out shopping bag ladies

and i would sit down and offer to talk

with them and

if they didn’t want to talk with me

which is more often the case

i would just sit quietly for 10 or 15

minutes say good night and then move on

two mornings a week i would go to the

dwelling place at their ministry

and help serve breakfast to any homeless

woman who walked in

i was stunned at the energy and the

care that was given to these women and

thought i

i want my first job to be in a city

so when i got a chance to work

i moved to hartford connecticut my first

church

small church racially diverse

not not a lot of people not

fancy indeed there was 240 units of

low-income housing right in our backyard

and that church had built an extra

112 units of low-income housing on their

property it was exciting and i was

i was jazzed it was going to be a great

challenge

and then the aids crisis

came to hartford and i’ll tell you

friends

i almost started putting those bricks

back up

this is the early mid 80s there was no

treatment

there was no cure

it was basically a death sentence and

everybody said it was the gay disease

well one day a woman from the

neighborhood came to the church and

asked if i would go visit her husband

who was dying with aids so at the time i

said that i would

and then i’m not proud of this but i put

it off and i put it off

but i finally did go and i went to her

apartment and i knocked on the door and

she invited me in and we chatted and she

handed me a glass of water

now i know you can’t get aids from a

glass of water

but that’s rational the irrational

fear just hit me and i had to make a

decision

and i decided again that i wasn’t alone

in this journey

and i took that glass of water and i

drank it

because i’d begun to realize that the

thing that was happening with hiv and

age was

three things that are scary for human

beings

we’re all connected the whole issue of

sex and sexuality

the whole issue of drugs and addiction

and then oh let’s connect it all to

death

people did not want to talk about this

but i actually realized

that maybe religion or spirituality or

whatever it was

had language and words that could help

people move from fear

to compassion where some people were

saying this is god’s wrath and people

are getting what they’re

what they deserve in our little church

we decided we were going to say

this is an illness and we’re going to

respond with care compassion and respect

we were the first church to have a

healing service for people with aids

and i began slowly to start working

locally and nationally

to see if we could find ways to build

bridges to help get from fear

to compassion i founded an organization

in the city where i was

and we were very fortunate that there

was a ad advertising agency that

worked in that city and they put

together

four posters for uh aids awareness month

and you’ll see them on the screen

building bridges they help people say oh

maybe there’s another way

to respond to hiv aids at the same time

one of the things we realized

is people were losing their housing

because of fear around

hiv and aids and discriminating against

people kicking them out of their

apartments and this wasn’t just

happening in hartford this was happening

in lots of cities

and so pretty soon we decided there was

a way to build a coalition

instead of everybody figuring it out in

eight different cities

let’s all come together and figure out

how best to respond

to this reality and the connecticut aids

residence coalition

actually uh ended up going to our

legislature

and getting a million dollars in bond

money so that we could provide housing

for people living with hiv and aids

in the same way the national episcopal

church was trying to figure out ways to

respond with care and compassion

and it also occurred to me that if we’re

not careful we’re going to reinvent the

wheel again

so this is our button up on the slide

with our with our theme

our church has aids trying to make sure

that

we were going to work together to help

people living with hiv and aids

and then what about young people you

know one of the highest risk groups in

the 80s

were young people mostly teenagers

so it’s one thing to have a bunch of

grown-ups say to teenagers well you know

this is what you ought to do and you

know

this is how you ought to be and safe sex

and all that

what i realized was if you want to build

a bridge to a young person

you educate their peers to be peer

educators

and so i helped write a curriculum that

would help young people

learn all about hiv and age so they

could help their peers

make sure they didn’t get hiv infected

so looking back i realized i spent most

of my professional life

trying to take old bricks to build new

bridges

helping individuals and people find that

foundational place that was solid for

them

so that they could do something to help

others for me

it was that i was loved by my creator

but whatever it was for someone else

find that foundation

and then realize it’s not there just to

keep you happy

it’s there to be an anchor to build a

bridge

so you can reach out and help other

people

and remember you can’t do it by yourself

my best friend had to come

overcome his fear and come and talk to

me so i could

face my own fears and be more true about

who i was

so whatever it is for you if you find

your foundation

i just hope that you will discover that

the world looks different

the grass is greener the sky is bluer

it’s different and it’s a good thing

find your foundation build a bridge

help others because my friends we live

in a desperate time

and the need is great may we all do that

thank you

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有时候

记住你的基础真的很有帮助

,你感觉与

你的核心相连的地方你知道你站在

坚实的地面上

,没有风或其他任何东西

会把你吹走,

这在新的时候尤其重要 或

不寻常的情况袭击了您,

这可能是令人恐惧的事情,也

可能是

几乎任何事情,例如

发现您不知道的遗产或处理

您的性取向

并面对您不确定的

事情,

或者可能意识到您有 一个

不会让你赚很多钱的职业,

但那个基础很重要,

但我想知道为什么这个

基础在未来如此重要,

对我来说,帮助我

找到我的基本真理的事件可以这么说

是 当我被要求在康涅狄格州哈特福德的一座教堂带领合唱团

撤退时

,我刚刚

被任命为主

教牧师 事情发生了

,我听说了四个贵格会

问题

,我认为这对这个合唱团来说是一项很棒的练习,

他们需要相互了解

,他们可以深入或

浅薄地互相交谈,

你在哪里 长大

了 你的房子是如何加热的 你家的温暖中心是什么 你是什么

时候第一次知道上帝爱

你 合唱团做得很好 大约有

12 个人他们分享了

信息 他们谈到了他们的

经历 有深入的分享,

特别是

我听到人们谈论我的

祖父母的最后一个问题是那些告诉

我上帝爱我

并且没有评判我的人,或者当

配偶生病或家人去世的时候

,他们意识到

还有更多事情发生 除了他们的

朋友或他们的家人之外,还有

一些

更现成的东西

与他们一起走那段旅程的精神

现在我也有了这些问题的答案

我在新泽西州农村长大的地方

什么是呃我的房子是怎么加热的

强制热空气

我记得

在我们餐厅的餐厅里有一个大通风口,你可以

站在它上面取暖

我们家的温暖中心

厨房和

肉块桌子和 你什么时候第一次知道

上帝爱你

哎呀你知道当你领导这些

撤退时你应该

在领导撤退之前弄清楚你的答案,

但我还没弄清楚

,跳进我脑海的答案

很尴尬,因为这是

事件 发生在我

在神学院读研究生的第二年,

现在你认为如果你要去

神学院,

你会先弄清楚上帝的东西,

但你知道我可以谈论头部的东西,

然后是心脏的东西

上帝、神学和

圣经,拯救世界,

让世界变得更美好,

但被爱,

所以我最终讲述的故事是

关于我在神学院的第二年,

我在纽约市,因为它发生

在我的父母身上 ts 正在做心脏

直视手术

他们的外科医生在哥伦比亚

长老会医院 我在下曼哈顿的神学院

所以每天我都会去上学 然后

我会坐地铁

我会去 144 条街道 看到我的父母

回到地铁上 回来做我的

家庭作业,

谈论压力,一天晚上

我回到学校,我很

生气

,筋疲力尽,我在第 10

大道出去散步

,我只是在抱怨上帝

,你还想从我这里得到什么? 我

该做什么你想让我

做什么

所以让我清楚没有声音

没有广告牌上的标志

但是有一些内在

清晰的感觉

并且传递了一个信息

有点像

我没有 想要你做任何事情

我是你的创造者我爱你你什么都做不了

我已经和你一起

在曼哈顿上下的这些旅行

所以我不知道也许是压力

也许是疲惫

但我决定 听,甚至相信

这条信息我几乎不

知道它会 d 很快成为

我向自己走出来的基础,

你看到了 27 年

我基本上忽略了

现在在 2020 年的性取向的整个问题,这似乎几乎

是不可能的,

并且通过治疗以及大量的工作和

时间,我可以期待 回过头来意识到那的

根源,

但是 1979 年的朋友 我一无所知

我不知道

所以有一些朋友,我哦,我

也是 1979 年我在费城工作 我

从研究生院休了一年假

来赚钱来支付我最后的学费 一年

,所以我的一些朋友和我

决定,呃,实际上在这个

总统日周末,我们

去新罕布什尔州的白山冬季露营

,在那段时间里,我意识到我最好的朋友出了点问题,我有一次

对他说

ii 不知道发生了什么事我知道

你很难过,

但只知道我关心你,

如果我能以任何方式帮助你,

请告诉我,我很乐意交谈

,令我惊讶的是他 实际上

打电话给我,他说

我想上火车 来

费城 我们会吃晚饭 我们会

谈谈

第二天早上我要上火车

回去上学 我说好吧

那太好了

我不知道接下来会发生什么

所以他 下来,我们吃了晚饭,然后

我们坐下来聊天

,他告诉我,去年秋天

他有过同性恋经历,尽管

认为自己是一个直男,他

有未婚夫,

但他发现自己的这一面

,他

既令人惊奇又

有点令人困惑,他只是

想弄清楚发生了什么

他还对我说他有点

害怕告诉我这个故事,

因为他认为我是

个运动员,而他不是 确定我

将如何回应

,因为当时我实际上是美国

赛艇运动的执行董事,

但我的回应完全支持我

如何帮助我一直与你

在一起 一个又长又有点

复杂的故事,

呃,那天晚上更短了,我哈 d 我

和我最好的朋友的第一次同性性经历,这很棒,

但是第二天早上我很害怕,

我对他说,我不确定这

是否会再次发生

,他不得不上火车去

上学,我必须去上班,

所以我去我的车,这不会开始

巧合我不知道,但这意味着

我必须步行去上班

,步行时我

经过现代艺术博物馆进入费尔蒙特

公园

沿着学校基尔河,

一切看起来都不一样了,草

更绿

了,树更绿了,天空更蓝了,

一切都不同了

我最好的朋友在

一封信中

告诉他,我意识到

多年来我一直

把自己的性取向隐藏在一堵巨大的砖墙后面,

我只是把它藏起来,并试图尽可能地

忽略它

,但

与他的这段

经历让我 在那堵墙上开了一条缝,光线就亮了

穿过那里有一种

分心,光线触及了我生命的所有部分

,我意识到我有一个选择,

我可以决定在裂缝中抹灰

并留在黑暗中,或者

我可以开始拆除墙壁

,那时我才想起我的

基础 在这段旅程中我并不孤单

,所以我继续写作

,我对他说,我说我

不认为这应该再次发生

的原因是因为我害怕

,相反,我对他的关心

甚至可能是我对他的爱 不知何故

让我触摸了我的性取向

,作为一个同性恋者,触摸它更可怕

,我想知道他是否愿意

再谈

一次长话短说很多

并发症,但

我们已经建立了三年的忠诚关系,

而我在 那个对成为一个同性恋者说“是”的旅程,

并想办法在那个旅程中敞开心扉,

但在某些时候,我想

知道我对所有这些砖块

做了什么,一个人对

所有的精神心理情感做了什么? 当你开始解散它时,我用了很多东西来

隐藏我的性欲

你用它做什么

,回顾我意识到

当我离开费城时我用旧砖砌桥,我

回到学校参加我的期末考试

在纽约市的头两年

,这个农村

孩子突然把我吓坏了

我采访了一群

为这些女性提供事工的罗马天主教修女

,我对伯纳内特姐妹说,我不

知道我为什么在这里

一个购物袋女士,我永远不会

忘记

伯纳黛特直视我的眼睛

,对我说

你的存在

,突然间

,那一年开始建造一座桥,每周两次,从晚上 11 点

到凌晨 1 点,我会去

b 我们在港务局或

宾州火车站的火车站,我

会寻找购物袋女士

,我会坐下来提出

与他们交谈,

如果他们不想和我交谈,

我经常会遇到这种

情况 只是静静地坐 10 或 15

分钟说晚安,然后

每周两个早上继续我会

去他们事工的住所

,帮助任何走进来的无家可归的女人吃早餐

我对能量和关怀感到震惊

那是给这些女人的,

我想我的第一份工作是在一个城市,

所以当我有机会工作时,

我搬到了康涅狄格州哈特福德我的第一

座教堂

小教堂 种族多样化

不是很多人不

喜欢 确实有 240

低收入住房就在我们的后院

,教堂在他们的财产上建造了额外的

112 间低收入住房,

这令人兴奋,

我很高兴这将是一个巨大的

挑战

,然后艾滋病危机

来了 哈 rtford,我会告诉你

朋友们,

我几乎开始把那些砖头

重新砌起来,

这是 80 年代中期早期没有

治疗

没有治愈

基本上是死刑,

每个人都说这是同性恋疾病

有一天一个女人

邻居来到教堂

问我是否会去看望

她死于艾滋病的丈夫,所以当时我

说我会

,然后我对此并不自豪,但我

推迟了,我推迟了,

但我 终于去了,我去了她的

公寓,我敲门,

她邀请我进去,我们聊天,她

递给我一杯水,

现在我知道你不能从一杯水中获得艾滋病,

但这是理性的,非理性的

恐惧袭击了我,我不得不做出

决定

,我再次决定,在这段旅程中我并不孤单

,我拿着那杯水

喝了它,

因为我开始

意识到艾滋病毒正在发生的事情

年龄是

对人类来说可怕的三件事

所有人都将

性和性

的整个问题与毒品和成瘾的整个问题

联系起来,然后哦,让我们将这一切与

死亡联系起来

人们不想谈论这个,

但我实际上意识到

,也许宗教或灵性或

其他任何东西

都有语言和文字 这可以帮助

人们从恐惧

转向同情,有些人

说这是上帝的愤怒,人们

正在

我们的小教堂里得到他们应得的东西,

我们决定我们要说

这是一种疾病,我们要

以关怀和尊重的态度回应

我们是第一家

为艾滋病患者提供治疗服务的教会

,我开始慢慢开始在

当地和全国范围

内工作,看看我们是否能找到方法来搭建

桥梁,帮助人们从恐惧

走向同情 我创立了一个

我所在城市的组织

,我们很幸运,

有一家广告公司

在那个城市工作,他们

为呃艾滋病意识制作了四张海报 ss 月

,你会在屏幕上看到他们在

搭建桥梁 他们帮助人们说 哦,

也许还有另一种方式

可以同时应对艾滋病毒艾滋病

我们意识到的一件事

是人们

因为对

艾滋病毒和艾滋病的恐惧而失去了他们的住房 并歧视将

他们赶出

公寓的人,这不仅

发生在哈特福德,而且发生

在许多城市

,所以很快我们就决定有

一种方法可以建立一个联盟,

而不是每个人都在

八个不同的城市搞清楚

让我们一起来看看

如何最好地

应对这一现实,康涅狄格州艾滋病

居住联盟

实际上最终去了我们的

立法机构

并获得了一百万美元的债券

资金,以便我们可以

为艾滋病毒和艾滋病

患者提供住房 就像国家

圣公会试图想办法

以关怀和同情的方式做出回应一样

,我也想到,如果我们

不 我们将再次重新发明

轮子,

所以这是我们在幻灯片上的按钮

,我们的主题是

我们的教堂有艾滋病,试图确保

我们将共同努力帮助

患有艾滋病毒和艾滋病的人

,然后是什么 关于年轻人,你

知道 80 年代风险最高的群体之一

是年轻人,主要是青少年,

所以让一群

成年人对青少年说好你知道

这是你应该做的,你

知道

这是如何做的是一回事 你应该是安全的性行为,

我所意识到的是,如果你想

为一个年轻人建立一座桥梁,

你教育他们的同龄人成为同伴

教育者

,所以我帮助编写了一个课程

,帮助年轻人

了解艾滋病毒和 年龄,所以他们

可以帮助他们的同龄人

确保他们没有感染艾滋病毒

所以回首往事,我意识到我的

大部分职业生涯都在

试图用旧砖建造新的

桥梁,

帮助个人和人们找到那个

基础的地方 对他们来说是坚实的,

因此他们可以为我做些事情来帮助

别人。

我被我的创造者所爱,

但不管是为了别人

找到那个基础

,然后意识到它的存在不仅仅是为了

让你快乐,

它的存在是为了 锚来搭建一座

桥梁,

这样你就可以伸出援手,帮助别人

,记住你不能靠自己做到这一点

我最好的朋友必须

克服他的恐惧来和我说话,

这样我才能

面对自己的恐惧,变得更加真实 关于

我是谁

,不管对你来说,如果你找到

你的基金会,

我只希望你会

发现世界看起来不

一样,草更绿,天空更蓝,

它不一样,找到你的基金会是件好事,

建一座桥,

帮助别人 因为我的朋友们,我们生活

在一个绝望的时代

,需求很大,愿我们都能做到,

谢谢