How couples can sustain a strong sexual connection for a lifetime Emily Nagoski

I’m sitting in a bar
with a couple of friends –

literally, a couple, married couple.

They’re the parents of two young children,

seven academic degrees between them,

big nerds, really nice people
but very sleep-deprived.

And they ask me the question
I get asked more than any other question.

They go, “So, Emily,

how do couples, you know,
sustain a strong sexual connection

over multiple decades?”

I’m a sex educator, which is why
my friends ask me questions like this,

and I am also a big nerd like my friends.

I love science, which is why
I can give them something like an answer.

Research actually has
pretty solid evidence

that couples who sustain
strong sexual connections

over multiple decades

have two things in common.

Before I can tell my friends
what those two things are,

I have to tell them a few things
that they are not.

These are not couples
who have sex very often.

Almost none of us have sex very often.

We are busy.

They are also not couples who necessarily
have wild, adventurous sex.

One recent study actually found

that the couples
who are most strongly predicted

to have strong sexual
and relationship satisfaction,

the best predictor of that

is not what kind of sex they have

or how often or where they have it

but whether they cuddle after sex.

And they are not necessarily couples

who constantly can’t wait
to keep their hands off each other.

Some of them are.

They experience what the researchers
call “spontaneous desire,”

that just sort of seems
to appear out of the blue.

Erika Moen, the cartoonist
who illustrated my book,

draws spontaneous desire
as a lightning bolt to the genitals –

kaboom! – you just want it
out of the blue.

That is absolutely one normal,
healthy way to experience sexual desire.

But there’s another healthy way
to experience sexual desire.

It’s called “responsive desire.”

Where spontaneous desire seems
to emerge in anticipation of pleasure,

responsive desire emerges
in response to pleasure.

There’s a sex therapist in New Jersey
named Christine Hyde,

who taught me this great metaphor
she uses with her clients.

She says, imagine that your best friend
invites you to a party.

You say yes because
it’s your best friend and a party.

But then, as the date approaches,
you start thinking,

“Aw, there’s going to be all this traffic.

We have to find child care.

Am I really going to want
to put my party clothes on

and get there at the end of the week?”

But you put on your party clothes
and you show up to the party,

and what happens?

You have a good time at the party.

If you are having fun at the party,

you are doing it right.

When it comes to a sexual connection,
it’s the same thing.

You put on your party clothes,

you set up the child care,

you put your body in the bed,

you let your skin
touch your partner’s skin

and allow your body
to wake up and remember,

“Oh, right! I like this.

I like this person!”

That’s responsive desire,

and it is key to understanding the couples
who sustain a strong sexual connection

over the long term,

because – and this is the part
where I tell my friends

the two characteristics of the couples who
do sustain a strong sexual connection –

one, they have a strong friendship
at the foundation of their relationship.

Specifically, they have strong trust.

Relationship researcher and therapist,

developer of emotionally focused therapy,

Sue Johnson,

boils trust down to this question:

Are you there for me?

Especially, are you emotionally
present and available for me?

Friends are there for each other.

One.

The second characteristic
is that they prioritize sex.

They decide that it matters
for their relationship.

They choose to set aside all the other
things that they could be doing –

the children they could be raising
and the jobs they could be going to,

the other family members
to pay attention to,

the other friends they might
want to hang out with.

God forbid they just want
to watch some television or go to sleep.

Stop doing all that stuff
and create a protected space

where all you’re going to do
is put your body in the bed

and let your skin
touch your partner’s skin.

So that’s it:

best friends,

prioritize sex.

So I said this to my friends in the bar.

I was like, best friends, prioritize sex,
I told them about the party,

I said you put your skin
next to your partner’s skin.

And one of the partners
I was talking to goes, “Aaagh.”

(Laughter)

And I was like, “OK,
so, there’s your problem.”

(Laughter)

The difficulty was not that they did not
want to go to the party, necessarily.

If the difficulty is just a lack
of spontaneous desire for party,

you know what to do:

you put on your party clothes
and show up for the party.

If you’re having fun at the party,
you’re doing it right.

Their difficulty was that this was a party

where she didn’t love
what there was available to eat,

the music was not her favorite music,

and she wasn’t totally sure she felt great
about her relationships with people

who were at the party.

And this happens all the time:

nice people who love each other
come to dread sex.

These couples, if they seek sex therapy,

the therapist might have them stand up

and put as much distance
between their bodies as they need

in order to feel comfortable,

and the less interested partner
will make 20 feet of space.

And the really difficult part
is that space is not empty.

It is crowded with weeks or months or more

of the, “You’re not listening to me,”

and “I don’t know what’s wrong with me
but your criticism isn’t helping,”

and, “If you loved me, you would,”
and, “You’re not there for me.”

Years, maybe, of all
these difficult feelings.

In the book, I use
this really silly metaphor

of difficult feelings as sleepy hedgehogs

that you are fostering until
you can find a way to set them free

by turning toward them
with kindness and compassion.

And the couples who struggle
to maintain a strong sexual connection,

the distance between them
is crowded with these sleepy hedgehogs.

And it happens in any relationship
that lasts long enough.

You, too, are fostering
a prickle of sleepy hedgehogs

between you and your certain
special someone.

The difference between couples
who sustain a strong sexual connection

and the ones who don’t

is not that they don’t experience
these difficult hurt feelings,

it’s that they turn towards
those difficult feelings

with kindness and compassion

so that they can set them free

and find their way back to each other.

So my friends in the bar are faced
with the question under the question,

not, “How do we sustain
a strong connection?”

but, “How do we find our way back to it?”

And, yes, there is science
to answer this question,

but in 25 years as a sex educator,

one thing I have learned
is sometimes, Emily,

less science,

more hedgehogs.

So I told them about me.

I spent many months writing a book about
the science of women’s sexual well-being.

I was thinking about sex
all day, every day,

and I was so stressed by the project
that I had zero – zero! – interest

in actually having any sex.

And then I spent months
traveling all over,

talking with anyone who would listen

about the science
of women’s sexual well-being.

And by the time I got home, you know,

I’d show up for the party,
put my body in the bed,

let my skin touch my partner’s skin,

and I was so exhausted and overwhelmed
I would just cry and fall asleep.

And the months of isolation
fostered fear and loneliness

and frustration.

So many hedgehogs.

My best friend, this person
I love and admire,

felt a million miles away.

But …

he was still there for me.

No matter how many
difficult feelings there were,

he turned toward them
with kindness and compassion.

He never turned away.

And what was the second characteristic

of couples who sustain
a strong sexual connection?

They prioritize sex.

They decide that it matters
for their relationship,

that they do what it takes
to find their way back to the connection.

I told my friends what sex therapist
and researcher Peggy Kleinplatz says.

She asks: What kind of sex
is worth wanting?

My partner and I looked
at the quality of our connection

and what it brought to our lives,

and we looked at the family
of sleepy hedgehogs

I had introduced into our home.

And we decided it was worth it.

We decided – we chose – to do
what it took to find our way,

turning towards each
of those sleepy hedgehogs,

those difficult hurt feelings,

with kindness and compassion

and setting them free
so that we could find our way back

to the connection that mattered
for our relationship.

This is not the story we are usually told

about how sexual desire works
in long-term relationships.

But I can think of nothing more romantic,

nothing sexier,

than being chosen as a priority

because that connection matters enough,

even after I introduced all of these
difficult feelings into our relationship.

How do you sustain a strong
sexual connection over the long term?

You look into the eyes
of your best friend,

and you keep choosing
to find your way back.

Thank you.

(Applause)


和几个朋友坐在酒吧里——

实际上,一对夫妇,已婚夫妇。

他们是两个小孩的父母,

他们之间有七个学位,

大书呆子,非常好的人,
但睡眠不足。

他们问我的问题
比其他任何问题都多。

他们会说,“那么,艾米丽

,你知道,夫妻是如何在数十年内
维持牢固的性联系的

?”

我是一名性教育者,这就是为什么
我的朋友会问我这样的问题,

而我也和我的朋友一样是个大书呆子。

我热爱科学,这就是为什么
我可以给他们一些答案。

研究实际上有
相当确凿的证据

表明,几十年来保持
强烈性关系的夫妻

有两个共同点。

在我可以告诉我的朋友
这两件事是什么之前,

我必须
告诉他们一些他们不是的事情。

这些不是
经常发生性行为的夫妻。

我们几乎没有人经常发生性行为。

我们很忙。

他们也不是必须
进行狂野冒险性行为的夫妻。

最近的一项研究实际上发现


最强烈预测

的夫妻有强烈的性
和关系满意度

,最好的预测指标

不是他们有什么样的性行为,

或者多久或在哪里发生,

而是他们是否在性生活后拥抱。

而且他们不一定

是总是迫不及待
地想把手从对方身上移开的夫妻。

他们之中有一些是。

他们体验到了研究人员
所说的“自发的欲望”

,这
似乎是突然出现的。

为我的书画插图的漫画家埃里卡·莫恩(Erika Moen)

将自发的欲望画
成了生殖器上的一道闪电——

咔嚓! - 你只是想要它
突然出现。

这绝对是
体验性欲的一种正常、健康的方式。

但是还有另一种健康的方式
来体验性欲。

它被称为“响应欲望”。

自发的欲望
似乎出现在对快乐的预期中,而

反应性的欲望则出现
在对快乐的回应中。

新泽西州有一位名叫克里斯汀·海德的性治疗师

她教会了我
她与客户一起使用的这个绝妙比喻。

她说,想象一下你最好的朋友
邀请你参加一个聚会。

你说是的,因为
这是你最好的朋友和聚会。

但是,随着日期的临近,
你开始想,

“哦,会有这么多交通。

我们必须找到托儿所。

我真的
想穿上我的派对衣服,

然后在结束时到达那里吗? 星期?”

但是你穿上你的派对服装,
然后出现在派对上

,会发生什么?

你在聚会上玩得很开心。

如果你在聚会上玩得开心,那

你就做对了。

当涉及到性关系时,
它是同样的事情。

你穿上派对服

,设置托儿所

,把身体放在床上

,让皮肤
接触到伴侣的皮肤

,让你的
身体醒来并记住,

“哦,对!我喜欢这个。

我 喜欢这个人!”

这是一种反应性的欲望

,它是理解
长期保持强烈性联系

的夫妻的关键,

因为——这
是我告诉我的朋友

们保持强烈性联系的夫妻的两个特征的部分
—— -

第一,
他们在关系的基础上有着深厚的友谊。

具体来说,他们有很强的信任。

关系研究员和治疗师、

情绪聚焦疗法的开发者

Sue Johnson 将

信任归结为这个问题:

你在我身边吗?

尤其是,您是否在情感上
存在并且可以为我服务?

朋友是为了彼此。

一。

第二个特点
是他们优先考虑性。

他们认为这
对他们的关系很重要。

他们选择把所有其他
可以做的事情放在一边——

他们可以抚养的孩子和他们可以从事
的工作

、其他
需要关注的家庭成员、

他们可能想和其他朋友
一起出去玩的朋友 .

上帝禁止他们
只想看电视或睡觉。

停止做所有这些事情
并创建一个受保护的空间

,你要做的
就是把你的身体放在床上

,让你的皮肤
接触你伴侣的皮肤。

就是这样:

最好的朋友,

优先考虑性。

所以我对酒吧里的朋友说了这句话。

我就像,最好的朋友,优先考虑性,
我告诉他们关于派对的事情,

我说你把你的皮肤放在
你伴侣的皮肤旁边。

我与之交谈的其中一位合作伙伴
说,“啊。”

(笑声)

我当时想,“好吧,
所以,这就是你的问题。”

(笑声

) 困难不在于他们
不想去参加聚会,不一定。

如果困难只是缺乏
对派对的自发欲望,

那么你知道该怎么做:

穿上你的派对服装
并出现在派对上。

如果你在聚会上玩得开心,那
你就做对了。

他们的困难在于,这是一个


不喜欢吃的东西的聚会

,音乐不是她最喜欢的音乐,

而且她不能完全确定
她对与

参加聚会的人的关系感觉良好。

这种情况一直在发生:

彼此相爱的好人
开始害怕性。

这些夫妻,如果他们寻求性治疗

,治疗师可能会让他们站起来,


在他们的身体之间保持尽可能多的距离

,以便感到舒适,

而不太感兴趣的伴侣
将腾出 20 英尺的空间。

真正困难的部分
是空间不是空的。

它充斥着数周或数月或更长时间

的“你不听我的”

和“我不知道我有什么问题
但你的批评没有帮助”

和“如果你爱我, 你会的,”
并且,“你不在我身边。”

几年,也许,所有
这些困难的感觉。

在这本书中,我使用了
这个非常愚蠢的比喻

,将困难的感觉比喻为

你正在培育的昏昏欲睡的刺猬,直到
你能找到一种方法,

以善意和同情的态度对待它们,让它们自由。

而那些
努力维持强烈性联系的夫妻,

他们之间的
距离挤满了这些昏昏欲睡的刺猬。

它发生在任何
持续时间足够长的关系中。

你也在

你和你的某个
特别的人之间培养了一种嗜睡的刺猬。 保持强烈性

关系的夫妻和
不保持强烈性关系的

夫妻之间的

区别不在于他们没有经历过
这些困难的伤害感受,

而是他们以善良和同情心转向
那些困难的感受

这样他们就可以释放它们

并 找到回到彼此的路。

所以我在酒吧里的朋友们面临
着这个问题下的问题,

而不是“我们如何
维持牢固的联系?”

但是,“我们如何找到回到它的路?”

而且,是的,有科学
可以回答这个问题,

但在作为性教育者的 25 年里,

我学到的一件事
是,艾米丽,

科学少了,

刺猬多了。

所以我告诉他们关于我的事。

我花了好几个月写一本
关于女性性健康科学的书。

我整天都在想性
,每一天

,我对这个项目感到压力很大,
以至于我的分数为零——零! -

对实际进行任何性行为的兴趣。

然后我花了几个月的时间
到处旅行,

与任何愿意倾听

女性性健康科学的人交谈。

当我回到家时,你知道,

我会出现在派对上,
把我的身体放在床上,

让我的皮肤接触到我伴侣的皮肤

,我非常疲惫和不知所措,
我只会哭着睡着。

几个月的孤立
感助长了恐惧、孤独

和沮丧。

这么多刺猬。

我最好的朋友,这个
我爱和钦佩的人,

感觉在一百万英里之外。

但是……

他还在我身边。

不管有多少
难受的感觉,

他都
以善意和同情的态度对待它们。

他从不转身。

保持强烈性关系的夫妻的第二个特征


什么?

他们优先考虑性。

他们认为这
对他们的关系很重要

,他们会尽一切
努力找到重新建立联系的方式。

我告诉我的朋友们性治疗师
和研究员佩吉·克莱恩普拉茨 (Peggy Kleinplatz) 是怎么说的。

她问:什么样的
性值得想要?

我和我的搭档研究
了我们的联系质量

以及它给我们的生活带来了什么

,我们还研究了我引入家中
的昏昏欲睡的刺猬家族

我们认为这是值得的。

我们决定——我们选择——
尽一切努力找到我们的路,

转向每一个
昏昏欲睡的刺猬,

那些痛苦的伤害感受,

带着善意和同情心

,让它们自由,
这样我们就可以找到

回归连接的路 这
对我们的关系很重要。

这不是我们通常被

告知性欲如何
在长期关系中发挥作用的故事。

但我想不出比被选为优先事项更浪漫

、更性感的

事了,因为这种联系已经足够重要了,

即使在我将所有这些
困难的感觉引入我们的关系之后。

你如何长期保持强烈的
性联系?


看着你最好的朋友的眼睛

,你不断地
选择找回自己的路。

谢谢你。

(掌声)