Saving others lives taking ones own

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was the first

indian doctor and only the second

in the world to literally

create life

on 3rd september 1978

was born literally out of a test tube

or what is technically known as in vitro

fertilization or ivf

named after the most popular

deity in bengal

durga grew up

and was only second

after about two months

of the first in-world ivf

in england the creators of the first ivf

dr edwards and dr steptoe

received the reward of nobel prize

for their heartbreaking discovery in

what about dr mukhopat yes

he too received his reward

on 19th july 1981

barely three years after his

groundbreaking invention

he was found hanging in his apartment

he had committed suicide

let us shift the scenario

to very recent last few months

over the past couple of months

in a premier medical institute

three medical doctors

two of them medical students

committed suicide

one of them was actually herself

pursuing her md or specialty

in psychiatry but was admitted

in the psychiatry ward

with extreme suicidality and

a failed suicide attempt

she was discharged and wrote in her blog

that she was doing very fine and had the

gift of life

as a matter of fact she wrote in her

blog

that she helped while herself being

admitted

in the psychiatry ward another nursing

student was struggling with depression

to seek help however

she herself was again

found hanging

in her hostel room just a month

after her discharge from the psychiatric

treatment facility this time

it was a successful suicide

so what is wrong there what is the

paradox what’s going on here

doctors and medical students going to

become doctors

are in the profession of saving lives

so what’s happening that some of them

tragically end up taking their own

before we come to this question and what

possibly can be done about it

let’s go through a few quick facts to

gain a perspective

first of all let’s remember that

counting suicides

is not easy classifying your death as

suicide

and reporting of suicide is always

almost

always under reported because of stigma

we’ll come back to that later

but before that so how common is suicide

in the medical

community a recent survey in the usa

found that

the number is about 300 to 400 doctors

per year which means about one doctor a

day

second is it commoner than in

age and sex-adjusted general population

yes it is a recent meta-analysis

an aggregate of 55 studies

published in 2019 found that suicide in

the medical community

is 44 percent

higher or more common than in the

age and sex adjusted general population

another recent study published

online a few months ago found that

although in the

males suicide rate was

lower in doctors compared to the general

population but we have to keep in mind

here that in the general population

it’s men in which completed suicide is

always commoner

so it had to rise against that higher

base rate

but what was found in all these studies

consistently is that in females

the suicide rates are distinctively

higher at times

more than twice by the general

population adjusted for

age third question

is it more common in other than in other

white-collar professions again the

answer is most probably

yes compared to other white-collar

proficiencies commonering

in doctors and medical students

a final question is it

a common mode of death

amongst the causes of death in medical

students

yes it is it is probably second only to

accidents as a cause of death amongst

those who are

young 24 to 34 years of age

and finally there are particular

medical disciplines which where somehow

uh

rates of suicide are even higher

notable amongst them being

anesthesiology and psychiatry but also

perhaps

general medicine general surgery so

after this

why the main question is why again

rather than going into a theoretical

um you know discourse or lecture

let us try to recall and reconstruct

what happened to

the female medical student who committed

suicide

she was struggling with her own

depression but that was perhaps

compounded by the fact that she was

aware acutely that she came from a very

poor

tribal uh family offer of a different

quote-unquote lower cost in india

and used to hear rumors and even cheers

at other by other people living in the

hostel because of this

her parents had to take a large loan to

support her studies

and she was aware of that um

she had to cope up with a very high

demanding stressful

high performance academic institute with

her ongoing depression

which she found very difficult but she

could not talk to anyone she could not

talk to her parents because she didn’t

want to overburden them

any further she couldn’t talk to her

friends if she had any in the hostel

she could talk to her um faculty members

because she

feared that she might be you know she

might stand out

as another who cannot have seen as

incapable inefficient

cannot cope and she could not face

herself so

she had nowhere to go

suicide in the medical community or even

elsewhere

is the final irreversible outcome

of a complex web of

background causalities or background

events or processes

in this mental illness substance abuse

stress of various kinds play a definite

role

which are all very very relevant in

medical community

but there’s something else which is

extremely particularly relevant in the

medical community itself and that is

stigma stigma which literally means

a mark but a mark which is a bad mark

an unwelcome mark a mark which

discriminates

so there are multiple sources of stigma

stress of various nature treatment by

others

substance abuse mental illnesses

guilt because of a high perfectionism

and a

and the need to prove oneself repeatedly

not being able to do that all these

come with a package of stigma and delays

help seeking and impedes recovery

particularly in medical profession

there’s a very important thing in the um

in those doctors were in service like in

case of dr mukhopath

again related with stigma but more to do

with complaints and treatment by others

what happened in the case of bhakram

kupathi the government

did not believe his invention and

certain other doctors

they became jealous a committee was

instituted by the government

which was chaired by a professor in

radio physics

yes you heard it right radio physics and

another from gynecology another from

physiology another from neurophysiology

none of them with the needed expertise

to fathom

the far advanced field in which he was

working in the area of in vitro

fertilization and cryobiology

the committee met very quickly

just once gave very short notice

to the doctor to explain himself

did not look at the actual experiments

and

passed the dictum that the research was

bogus

it was on fraught

the fallout was terrible dr

was immediately ostracized from his

society

by his fellow colleagues he was banned

from

appearing in in interviews or going to

uh uh international conferences

for presenting his findings for which he

was invited

and finally as the proverbial strong the

camels back he was

transferred to a department in

ophthalmology in the eye department

which had got

absolutely nothing to do with his area

of expertise

that was professionally killing himself

him

in his suicide note this is what he

wrote

i can’t wait for another heart attack

to kill me

given this kind of a scenario

what can be done possibly

there are four things to my mind the

first and the foremost

but before that there is also a major

role of uh

of stigmas has been found in in research

that three out of four medical

students in a prestigious institute

found stigma was a major issue in

disclosing mental health

and another study recently published

from our institute from our department

found that up to 400 medical students

resident doctors four

out of five reported at least a moderate

degree of stress

nine out of ten fed some degree of

burnout three out of ten reported

depressive symptoms

so was it surprising that one in six of

them

actually reported some degree of

suicidal ideations

so coming back to what we can do about

it the first and foremost

is that we need to listen we need to

open up

we need to express our empathy not the

sympathy

to these people and open up safe

non-judgmental space

for the ones suffering in silence

to open up to talk to express themselves

without

having the stigma without having the

fear of retribution or repercussion

or penalization this is the most

important thing

but along with that we do need as a

second very very important major step

it a structural changes structural

changes

which would involve forming statutory or

institute level

bodies committees of setting up set up

to

to fight against discrimination of all

sorts

to fight against stigma of all sorts to

have

institutional review committees to have

safety boards so various kind of

institutional mechanisms can be created

for providing a safe recourse

to those students and doctors who need

help

another step is for

is for doctors who are in service we

need to have a change

in mindset as claire

jarrada who is the medical director of

the national

health service practitioner health

program says

and i read that going forward we have to

hold

the decline in morale among doctors

this will mean addressing many systemic

issues that are creating unhappiness

tackling the culture of naming blaming

and shaming

and essentially treating them as

intelligent adults

and not as naughty school children

this is where their skills can flourish

and this is what

will eventually help last but not the

least we have to change the language

did you notice that i did a terrible

terrible mistake

in fact i would say heena’s crying by

repeatedly saying

that so and so committed suicide

as if he or she committed an

arson a murder

a crime a rape a felony

these are committed this is the legal

language

anybody who commits an attempt to

suicide shall be imprisoned with

etc etc so even successful suicide

failed attempt as if you were judging a

person

even in their suicide whether it was

failed or whether it was successful

so i stand corrected dr mukhop

died by suicide the female medical

student died by suicide and she did

attempt

suicide earlier once

language is a very powerful tool to

carry or to dispel stigma

we need to keep that in mind none of

them

committed a crime in the end

imagine dr mukherbat hey created the

baby the test tube

the government was intrigued it set up a

committee

which was chaired by an embryologist of

eminence

a cryobiologist an in vitro

fertilization

expert and they

sat over in details the findings asked

clarifications

in the end gave a clean chit and and in

fact

appreciated this part breaking discovery

the institute and the bureaucratic

structure recognized this

sent him abroad for uh further

dissemination of his findings and

finally

funded a research institute to carry his

work further

a future was born and in the end

again imagine that the medical student

who was going through depression

spoke with a faculty member who

immediately took notice of it

created talked to the faculty of the

student welfare committee

created a ring of safety a buddy system

around her to provide her a safe space

talked with her removed her guilt about

various issues from background

cast and tribe and and the money and

everything

called the parents in a safe manner and

helped them

in in some way possible to to mitigate

their their financial burden

get reviewed the medical medication

kept a close eye on the student but

without

stigmatizing or making her stand out in

the class

and today she is she’s a psychiatrist

she treats patients she saves lives yes

she still has depressive episodes

from time to time for which she’s a

medication but she knows the limits and

she knows that she will not

take her own life she has

a future which was fostered

by proving the possibilities of the

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you

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是第一位

印度医生,

也是世界上第二位真正

创造生命的医生,他于

1978 年 9 月 3 日

从试管中诞生

杜尔加长大了

,在英国

进行世界上第一个体外受精大约两个月后仅获得第二名。第一个体外受精

的创造者

edwards 博士和 steptoe 博士

因他们在 2010 年令人心碎的发现而获得了诺贝尔奖

。mukhopat 博士呢,是的,

1981 年 7 月 19 日,

在他的开创性发明仅仅三年后,他也收到了他的奖励,

他被发现吊在他的公寓里,

他自杀了,

让我们把场景转移

到最近几个月

,过去几个月,

在一家顶级医疗机构,

三名医疗 医生 其中

两个医学生

自杀

其中一个实际上是她自己在

攻读医学博士或

精神病学专业,但被

录取了

患有极度自杀倾向

和自杀未遂的精神病院

她出院并在她的博客

中写道,她过得很好,并且有

生命

的礼物,事实上,她在

博客

中写道,她在自己被

录取

时提供了帮助 精神病学病房的另一名护理

学生正在与抑郁症

作斗争以寻求帮助,但

在她从精神病治疗机构出院一个月后,她本人再次被发现吊死在宿舍房间

,这次是成功的自杀,

所以这有什么问题呢?悖论是什么?

这里发生了什么

医生和医科学生将

成为医生

,他们从事拯救生命的职业,

所以在我们提出这个问题之前,他们中的一些人

悲惨地结束了自己的生活

,以及对此

可能采取的措施,

让我们通过一个 几个快速的事实来

获得一个观点

首先让我们记住,

计算自杀

并不容易将你的死亡归类为

su

由于污名化,自杀和自杀报告几乎总是被低估,

我们稍后再讨论,

但在那之前,自杀

在医学

界有多普遍,最近在美国进行的一项调查

发现,

这个数字大约是 300 到 400 名医生

每年,这意味着每天大约有一名医生

比在

年龄和性别调整后的普通人群中

更常见是的,这是最近的一项荟萃分析

,2019 年发表的 55 项研究的汇总发现,

医学界的自杀率

高出 44% 或 比在

年龄和性别调整后的普通人群中更常见

几个月前在线发表的另一项最新研究发现,

尽管

与普通人群相比,医生的男性自杀率较低,

但我们必须

记住,在普通人群中

完成自杀的人

总是比较普遍,

所以它必须相对于更高的基准率上升,

但在所有这些研究中

一致发现的是 在女性中

,自杀率明显

高于

根据年龄调整后的一般人群的两倍

以上 第三个问题

是否比其他白领职业更常见

与其他白领熟练程度相比,答案很可能是肯定的

在医生和医学生中普遍化

最后一个问题是医学生

死亡原因中常见的死亡方式

是的,在

24 至 34 岁的年轻人中,它可能仅次于事故作为死亡原因

最后还有一些特定的

医学学科,其中

自杀率甚至更高

,其中包括

麻醉学和精神病学,也

可能是

普通医学普通外科,所以

在此之后,

为什么主要问题是为什么再次

而不是进入理论上的

嗯,你知道 话语或讲座

让我们试着回忆和重建

发生

在女医科学生身上的事。 她

自杀了,

她正与自己的

抑郁症作斗争,但这也许

是因为她

敏锐地意识到她来自一个非常

贫穷的

部落家庭,提供不同的

报价-在印度不报价更低的成本,

并且过去常常听到谣言,甚至

住在宿舍的其他人因此向其他人欢呼

,因此

她的父母不得不借大笔贷款来

支持她的学业

,她知道嗯,

她必须应付一个要求非常高、

压力

很大的高性能学术机构。

抑郁症

,她觉得非常困难,但她

无法与任何人交谈 她无法

与父母交谈,因为她

不想让他们负担过重

她无法与她的朋友交谈,

如果她在旅馆里有任何

可以交谈的人 她的 um 教职员工,

因为她

担心她可能是你知道她

可能会脱颖而出,

因为另一个不能被视为

无能低效的人

无法应付,她无法面对

自己 所以

在医学界甚至

其他地方

都无处可去自杀是这种精神疾病

背景因果关系或背景

事件或过程

的复杂网络的最终不可逆转的结果 各种药物滥用

压力起着一定的

作用

,这一切都非常非常 与医学界相关,

但还有一些

医学界本身极为相关的东西,那就是

污名 污名,字面意思是

一个标记,但一个标记是一个坏标记

一个不受欢迎的标记 一个具有歧视性的标记,

因此有多种污名来源

各种性质的压力

其他人的治疗

滥用药物 精神疾病

因高度完美主义而感到内疚,

并且需要反复证明自己

无法做到这一点 所有这些

都伴随着一系列耻辱和延误

帮助寻求并阻碍康复,

尤其是在医疗方面 在那些医生

中,嗯,有一件非常重要的事情

在服务中,就像

穆霍帕特博士的情况

再次与耻辱有关,但更多的是

与其他人的投诉和治疗有关。

在巴克拉姆库帕蒂的情况下,

政府

不相信他的发明,

他们嫉妒的某些其他医生成立了一个委员会

由无线电物理学教授担任主席的政府

是的,您没听错,无线电物理学,

另一个来自妇科,另一个来自

生理学,另一个来自神经生理学

体外受精和冷冻生物学

委员会很快

就开会了 只是一次很短的时间

通知医生解释自己

没有看实际的实验

通过格言说这项研究是

虚假的

它充满

了后果 后果很糟糕

医生立即被排斥 他的

同事被他的社会禁止他

出现在采访中 或者去

呃呃国际

会议展示他的发现,他

被邀请参加

,最后作为众所周知的

骆驼强者,他被

转移到

眼科的眼科,

这与他

的专业领域完全

无关

在他的遗书中专业地自杀了他这是他

写的

我迫不及待地想再次心脏病

发作杀死我

鉴于这种情况

可以做些什么可能

有四件事在我的脑海中

首先是最重要的

但是 在此之前,

在某著名研究所

的四分之三的医学

发现,污名是披露心理健康的一个主要问题,

并且我们部门最近发表的另一项研究中发现了耻辱的主要作用

发现多达 400 名医学生

住院医生

五分之四报告至少有中等

程度的压力

n 喂食了某种程度的

倦怠,十分之三的人报告了

抑郁症状,

所以令人惊讶的是,其中六分之一的

实际上报告了某种程度的

自杀念头,

所以回到我们能做

的首要

的事情是我们需要倾听 我们需要

敞开心扉,

我们需要表达我们的同理心,而不是

对这些人的同情,并

为那些在沉默中受苦的人打开安全的非评判空间,让他们

敞开心扉去表达自己,

不必遭受耻辱,也不必

害怕报复或 影响

或惩罚这是最

重要的事情,

但除此之外,我们确实需要作为

第二个非常重要的重大

步骤进行结构性变化结构性

变化

,这将涉及成立法定或

机构级别的

机构委员会,

以打击歧视 与

各种污名作斗争

机构审查委员会 有

各种各样的安全委员会

可以建立体制机制

,为

需要帮助的学生和

医生提供

安全的求助途径

服务从业者健康

计划说

,我读到,展望未来,我们必须

控制

医生士气的下降,

这将意味着解决

许多造成不快乐的系统性问题,

解决指责和羞辱的文化

,基本上将他们视为

聪明的成年人,

而不是 顽皮的学童

这是他们的技能可以发扬光大的地方

,这

最终会有所帮助,但并非最

不重要的是,我们必须改变

语言你是否注意到我犯了一个

可怕的

错误事实上我会说 heena 哭了,

反复

说这样

就好像他或她犯了

纵火

谋杀 犯罪 强奸 重罪

这些 ar e 犯了这是法律

语言,

任何企图

自杀的人都将被监禁

等等等等,所以即使是成功的自杀

尝试也失败了,就好像你在判断一个

人,

即使是在他们的自杀中,

无论是失败还是成功,

所以我是正确的 穆克霍博士

自杀身亡 女

医科学生自杀身亡,

一旦

语言成为

承载或消除污名的强大工具,她确实曾尝试过自杀

我们需要牢记这一点,

他们

最终都没有犯罪

想象穆克巴特博士 嘿,创造了

婴儿,

试管,政府很感兴趣,它成立了一个

委员会

,由杰出的胚胎学家、

冷冻生物学家、体外受精

专家担任主席,他们

坐下来详细讨论调查结果,要求

澄清最后给出了一个干净的结论,并且 事实上

很感激这部分打破

发现研究所和官僚

结构承认这

把他送到国外是为了呃 进一步

传播他的发现并

最终

资助了一个研究所以进一步开展他的

工作

一个未来诞生了,最后

再次想象

这位正在经历抑郁症的医学生

与一位

立即注意到它的

教职员工交谈。

学生福利委员会的教员

在她周围建立了一个安全圈,为她提供一个安全的空间

与她交谈消除了她对

背景

演员和部落以及金钱和

一切

以安全的方式打电话给父母的各种问题的内疚,

以某种可能的方式帮助他们减轻

他们的经济负担

接受审查 药物

密切关注学生,但

没有

污名化或让她

在课堂上脱颖而出

,今天她是一名精神病医生,

她治疗病人,她拯救了生命 是的,

她仍然不时有抑郁发作

,她是一种

药物,但她知道限制和

她知道她不会结束

自己的生命她有

一个未来,这是

通过证明

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你的可能性而培育的