An Art Made of Trust Vulnerability and Connection Marina Abramovi TED Talks

Now…

let’s go back in time.

It’s 1974.

There is the gallery somewhere

in the world,

and there is a young girl, age 23,

standing in the middle of the space.

In the front of her is a table.

On the table there are 76 objects

for pleasure and for pain.

Some of the objects are

a glass of water, a coat, a shoe, a rose.

But also the knife,
the razor blade, the hammer

and the pistol with one bullet.

There are instructions which say,

“I’m an object.

You can use everything on the table on me.

I’m taking all responsibility –
even killing me.

And the time is six hours.”

The beginning of this
performance was easy.

People would give me
the glass of water to drink,

they’d give me the rose.

But very soon after,

there was a man who took the scissors
and cut my clothes,

and then they took the thorns of the rose
and stuck them in my stomach.

Somebody took the razor blade
and cut my neck and drank the blood,

and I still have the scar.

The women would tell the men what to do.

And the men didn’t rape me
because it was just a normal opening,

and it was all public,

and they were with their wives.

They carried me around
and put me on the table,

and put the knife between my legs.

And somebody took the pistol and bullet
and put it against my temple.

And another person took the pistol
and they started a fight.

And after six hours were finished,

I…

started walking towards the public.

I was a mess.

I was half-naked, I was full of blood
and tears were running down my face.

And everybody escaped, they just ran away.

They could not confront myself,
with myself as a normal human being.

And then –

what happened

is I went to the hotel,
it was at two in the morning.

And

I looked at myself in the mirror,

and I had a piece of gray hair.

Alright –

please take off your blindfolds.

Welcome to the performance world.

First of all, let’s explain
what the performance is.

So many artists,
so many different explanations,

but my explanation
for performance is very simple.

Performance is a mental
and physical construction

that the performer makes
in a specific time

in a space in front of an audience

and then energy dialogue happens.

The audience and the performer
make the piece together.

And the difference between
performance and theater is huge.

In the theater, the knife is not a knife

and the blood is just ketchup.

In the performance,
the blood is the material,

and the razor blade or knife is the tool.

It’s all about being there
in the real time,

and you can’t rehearse performance,

because you can’t do many
of these types of things twice – ever.

Which is very important,
the performance is –

you know, all human beings
are always afraid of very simple things.

We’re afraid of suffering,
we’re afraid of pain,

we’re afraid of mortality.

So what I’m doing –

I’m staging these kinds of fears
in front of the audience.

I’m using your energy,

and with this energy I can go
and push my body as far as I can.

And then I liberate myself
from these fears.

And I’m your mirror.

If I can do this for myself,
you can do it for you.

After Belgrade, where I was born,

I went to Amsterdam.

And you know, I’ve been doing performances

since the last 40 years.

And here I met Ulay,

and he was the person
I actually fell in love with.

And we made, for 12 years,
performances together.

You know the knife
and the pistols and the bullets,

I exchange into love and trust.

So to do this kind work
you have to trust the person completely

because this arrow
is pointing to my heart.

So, heart beating and adrenaline
is rushing and so on,

is about trust, is about total trust
to another human being.

Our relationship was 12 years,

and we worked on so many subjects,
both male and female energy.

And as every relationship
comes to an end, ours went too.

We didn’t make phone calls
like normal human beings do

and say, you know, “This is over.”

We walked the Great Wall
of China to say goodbye.

I started at the Yellow Sea,
and he started from the Gobi Desert.

We walked, each of us, three months,

two and a half thousand kilometers.

It was the mountains, it was difficult.

It was climbing, it was ruins.

It was, you know, going through
the 12 Chinese provinces,

this was before China was open in ‘87.

And we succeeded to meet in the middle

to say goodbye.

And then our relationship stopped.

And now, it completely changed
how I see the public.

And one very important piece
I made in those days

was “Balkan Baroque.”

And this was the time of the Balkan Wars,

and I wanted to create
some very strong, charismatic image,

something that could serve
for any war at any time,

because the Balkan Wars are now finished,
but there’s always some war, somewhere.

So here I am washing

two and a half thousand
dead, big, bloody cow bones.

You can’t wash the blood,
you never can wash shame off the wars.

So I’m washing this six hours, six days,
and wars are coming off these bones,

and becoming possible –
an unbearable smell.

But then something stays in the memory.

I want to show you the one
who really changed my life,

and this was the performance in MoMa,
which I just recently made.

This performance –
when I said to the curator,

“I’m just going to sit at the chair,

and there will be
an empty chair at the front,

and anybody from the public
can come and sit as long as they want.”

The curator said to me,

“That’s ridiculous, you know,
this is New York,

this chair will be empty,

nobody has time to sit in front of you.”

(Laughter)

But I sit for three months.

And I sit everyday, eight hours –

the opening of the museum –

and 10 hours on Friday
when the museum is open 10 hours,

and I never move.

And I removed the table
and I’m still sitting,

and this changed everything.

This performance,
maybe 10 or 15 years ago –

nothing would have happened.

But the need of people to actually
experience something different,

the public was not anymore the group –

relation was one to one.

I was watching these people,
they would come and sit in front of me,

but they would have to wait
for hours and hours and hours

to get to this position,

and finally, they sit.

And what happened?

They are observed by the other people,

they’re photographed,
they’re filmed by the camera,

they’re observed by me

and they have nowhere to escape
except in themselves.

And that makes a difference.

There was so much pain and loneliness,

there’s so much incredible things
when you look in somebody else’s eyes,

because in the gaze
with that total stranger,

that you never even say one word –
everything happened.

And I understood when I stood up
from that chair after three months,

I am not the same anymore.

And I understood
that I have a very strong mission,

that I have to communicate this experience

to everybody.

And this is how, for me, was born the idea

to have an institute
of immaterial performing arts.

Because thinking about immateriality,

performance is time-based art.

It’s not like a painting.

You have the painting on the wall,
the next day it’s there.

Performance, if you are missing it,
you only have the memory,

or the story of somebody else telling you,

but you actually missed the whole thing.

So you have to be there.

And in my point,
if you talk about immaterial art,

music is the highest –
absolutely highest art of all,

because it’s the most immaterial.

And then after this is performance,
and then everything else.

That’s my subjective way.

This institute is going to happen
in Hudson, upstate New York,

and we are trying to build
with Rem Koolhaas, an idea.

And it’s very simple.

If you want to get experience,
you have to give me your time.

You have to sign the contract
before you enter the building,

that you will spend there
a full six hours,

you have to give me your word of honor.

It’s something so old-fashioned,

but if you don’t respect your own
word of honor and you leave before –

that’s not my problem.

But it’s six hours, the experience.

And then after you finish,
you get a certificate of accomplishment,

so get home and frame it if you want.

(Laughter)

This is orientation hall.

The public comes in, and the first thing
you have to do is dress in lab coats.

It’s this importance

of stepping from being
just a viewer into experimenter.

And then you go to the lockers

and you put your watch,
your iPhone, your iPod, your computer

and everything digital, electronic.

And you are getting free time
for yourself for the first time.

Because there is nothing
wrong with technology,

our approach to technology is wrong.

We are losing the time
we have for ourselves.

This is an institute
to actually give you back this time.

So what you do here,

first you start slow walking,
you start slowing down.

You’re going back to simplicity.

After slow walking, you’re going
to learn how to drink water –

very simple, drinking water
for maybe half an hour.

After this, you’re going to
the magnet chamber,

where you’re going to create
some magnet streams on your body.

Then after this,
you go to crystal chamber.

After crystal chamber,
you go to eye-gazing chamber,

after eye-gazing chamber, you go to
a chamber where you are lying down.

So it’s the three basic positions
of the human body,

sitting, standing and lying.

And slow walking.

And there is a sound chamber.

And then after you’ve seen all of this,

and prepared yourself
mentally and physically,

then you are ready to see
something with a long duration,

like in immaterial art.

It can be music, it can be opera,
it can be a theater piece,

it can be film, it can be video dance.

You go to the long duration chairs
because now you are comfortable.

In the long duration chairs,

you’re transported to the big place
where you’re going to see the work.

And if you fall asleep,

which is very possible
because it’s been a long day,

you’re going to be
transported to the parking lot.

(Laughter)

And you know, sleeping is very important.

In sleeping, you’re still receiving art.

So in the parking lot you stay
for a certain amount of time,

and then after this
you just, you know, go back,

you see more of the things you like to see

or go home with your certificate.

So this institute right now is virtual.

Right now, I am just
making my institute in Brazil,

then it’s going to be in Australia,

then it’s coming here,
to Canada and everywhere.

And this is to experience
a kind of simple method,

how you go back to simplicity
in your own life.

Counting rice will be another thing.

(Laughter)

You know, if you count rice
you can make life, too.

How to count rice for six hours?

It’s incredibly important.

You know, you go through this whole range
of being bored, being angry,

being completely frustrated, not finishing
the amount of rice you’re counting.

And then this unbelievable
amount of peace you get

when satisfying work is finished –

or counting sand in the desert.

Or having the sound-isolated situation –

that you have headphones,
that you don’t hear anything,

and you’re just there
together without sound,

with the people experiencing silence,
just the simple silence.

We are always doing things
we like in our life.

And this is why you’re not changing.

You do things in life –

it’s just nothing happens
if you always do things the same way.

But my method is to do things
I’m afraid of, the things I fear,

the things I don’t know,

to go to territory
that nobody’s ever been.

And then also to include the failure.

I think failure is important

because if you go,
if you experiment, you can fail.

If you don’t go into that area
and you don’t fail,

you are actually repeating yourself
over and over again.

And I think that human beings
right now need a change,

and the only change to be made
is a personal level change.

You have to make the change on yourself.

Because the only way
to change consciousness

and to change the world around us,

is to start with yourself.

It’s so easy to criticize
how it’s different,

the things in the world
and they’re not right,

and the governments are corrupted
and there’s hunger in the world

and there’s wars – the killing.

But what we do on the personal level –

what is our contribution
to this whole thing?

Can you turn to your neighbor,
the one you don’t know,

and look at them for two full minutes
in their eyes, right now?

(Chatter)

I’m asking two minutes
of your time, that’s so little.

Breathe slowly, don’t try to blink,
don’t be self-conscious.

Be relaxed.

And just look a complete
stranger in your eyes, in his eyes.

(Silence)

Thank you for trusting me.

(Applause)

Chris Anderson: Thank you.

Thank you so much.

现在……

让我们回到过去。

现在是 1974 年。在世界的

某个地方有一个画廊

,有一个 23 岁的年轻女孩

站在空间的中央。

她的面前是一张桌子。

桌子上有 76 件

代表快乐和痛苦的物品。

其中一些物品是

一杯水、一件外套、一只鞋子、一朵玫瑰。

还有一把刀
,剃须刀片,锤子

和手枪,一发子弹。

有指示说,

“我是一个对象。

你可以使用桌子上的所有东西在我身上。

我承担所有责任——
甚至杀了我

。时间是六个小时。”

这场表演的开始
很容易。

人们会给
我一杯水喝,

他们会给我玫瑰。

但是不久之后,

有一个人拿了
剪刀剪了我的衣服,

然后他们拿走了玫瑰的刺
,把它们插在了我的肚子里。

有人拿着剃须刀
片割了我的脖子,喝了血

,我的伤疤还在。

女人会告诉男人该做什么。

男人们没有强奸我,
因为这只是一个正常的开场白,

而且都是公开的,

而且他们和他们的妻子在一起。

他们抬着我
,把我放在桌子上

,把刀夹在我的腿间。

有人拿起手枪和子弹
,对着我的太阳穴。

另一个人拿起手枪
,他们开始了战斗。

六个小时后,

我…

开始走向公众。

我一团糟。

我半裸着,浑身是血
,泪水顺着我的脸流下来。

每个人都逃脱了,他们只是逃跑了。

他们无法面对自己,
面对自己作为一个正常人。

然后 -

发生的事情

是我去了酒店,
那是凌晨两点。

我看着镜子里的自己

,我有一头灰白的头发。

好的——

请摘下你的眼罩。

欢迎来到表演世界。

首先,让我们解释
一下性能是什么。

这么多艺术家,
这么多不同的解释,

但我
对表演的解释很简单。

表演是

表演者
在特定时间

在观众面前的空间中进行的心理

和身体结构,然后发生能量对话。

观众和表演者
一起创作了这首曲子。 表演

和戏剧之间的差异
是巨大的。

在剧院里,刀不是刀

,血只是番茄酱。

在表演中
,血液是材料

,刀片或刀是工具。

这一切都是为了实时在那里

,你不能排练表演,

因为你不能把
很多这类事情做两次——永远。

这很重要
,表现是——

你知道,所有人
总是害怕非常简单的事情。

我们害怕痛苦,
我们害怕痛苦,

我们害怕死亡。

所以我在做什么——


在观众面前展示这些恐惧。

我正在使用你的能量

,有了这个能量,
我可以尽可能地推动我的身体。

然后我把自己
从这些恐惧中解放出来。

而我是你的镜子。

如果我能为自己做这件事,
你也可以为你做。

在我出生的贝尔格莱德之后,

我去了阿姆斯特丹。

你知道,

自从过去的 40 年以来,我一直在表演。

在这里我遇到了乌雷

,他是
我真正爱上的人。

我们一起制作了 12 年的
表演。

你知道刀
、手枪和子弹,

我换来爱和信任。

所以做这种工作
你必须完全信任这个人,

因为这个
箭头指向我的心。

所以,心跳和肾上腺素
在涌动等等

,关乎信任,关乎
对另一个人的完全信任。

我们的关系是 12 年

,我们研究了很多主题,
包括男性和女性能量。

随着每段
关系的结束,我们的关系也结束了。

我们没有
像普通人那样

打电话说,你知道的,“这已经结束了。”

我们走过
万里长城告别。

我从黄海开始
,他从戈壁开始。

我们每个人走了三个月,

两千五万公里。

那是山,很难。

它在攀登,它是一片废墟。

那是,你知道,经过
中国的 12 个省,

这是在 87 年中国开放之前。

我们成功地在中途见面

说再见。

然后我们的关系就停止了。

而现在,它彻底改变
了我对公众的看法。

那时我制作的一件非常重要的作品

是“巴尔干巴洛克”。

这是巴尔干战争的时期

,我想创造
一些非常强大、有魅力的形象

,可以
在任何时候为任何战争服务,

因为巴尔干战争现在已经结束,
但总有一些战争,在某个地方。

所以我在这里清洗

两千
五千块死去的大而血腥的牛骨头。

你洗不掉血,
你永远洗不掉战争的耻辱。

所以我要洗这六个小时,六天
,战争正在从这些骨头上脱落,

并成为可能——
一种难以忍受的气味。

但后来有些东西留在了记忆中。

我想向你
展示真正改变我生活的那个人

,这就是我最近在 MoMa 的表演

这个表演——
当我对策展人说,

“我就坐在

椅子上,前面会有一个空椅子

,任何人
都可以来坐,想坐多久就坐多久。”

策展人对我说:

“太荒谬了,你知道,
这是纽约,

这把椅子是空的,

没有人有时间坐在你面前。”

(笑声)

但我坐了三个月。

我每天都坐着,八小时

——博物馆开幕——

周五,
当博物馆开放 10 小时时,我会坐 10 小时,

而且我一动不动。

我移开桌子
,我仍然坐着

,这改变了一切。

这种表现,
也许是 10 或 15 年前——

什么都不会发生。

但是人们需要真正
体验不同

的东西,公众不再是群体——

关系是一对一的。

我看着这些人,
他们会来坐在我面前,

但他们必须等待
几个小时、几个小时

才能到达这个位置

,最后,他们坐下。

发生什么事?

他们被其他人观察,

他们被拍照,
他们被相机拍摄,

他们被我观察,除了他们自己

,他们无处可逃

这会有所作为。 当你看着别人的眼睛时

,有那么多的痛苦和孤独,

有那么多不可思议的事情

因为在那个完全陌生的目光中

,你甚至一句话都没有说——
一切都发生了。 三个月后,

当我从那张椅子上站起来时,我明白了

我已经不一样了。


明白我有一个非常强大的使命

,我必须将这种经历传达

给每个人。

对我来说,这就是

建立
一个非物质表演艺术学院的想法。

因为考虑非物质性,

表演是基于时间的艺术。

它不像一幅画。

你有这幅画在墙上
,第二天它就在那里。

表演,如果你错过了,
你只有记忆,

或者别人告诉你的故事,

但你实际上错过了整件事。

所以你必须在那里。

在我看来,
如果你谈论非物质艺术,

音乐是最高的——
绝对是最高的艺术,

因为它是最非物质的。

然后是表演,
然后是其他一切。

这是我主观的方式。

这个研究所将
在纽约州北部的哈德逊

建立,我们正在尝试
与雷姆库哈斯一起建立一个想法。

这很简单。

如果你想获得经验,
你必须给我你的时间。

你必须
在进入大楼之前签署合同

,你将在那里
度过整整六个小时,

你必须向我保证你的荣誉。

这是一件很过时的事情,

但如果你不尊重自己
的诺言而提前离开——

那不是我的问题。

但这是六个小时,经验。

然后在你完成后,
你会得到一份成就证书,

所以如果你愿意,可以回家装裱。

(笑声)

这是迎新厅。

公众进来了,你要做的第一件事
就是穿上实验室外套。

这就是

从观众变成实验者的重要性。

然后你去储物柜

,把你的手表、
你的 iPhone、你的 iPod、你的电脑

和一切数字的、电子的东西放好。

你第一次有空闲时间。

因为
技术没有错,所以

我们对技术的态度是错误的。

我们正在失去属于自己的时间

这是一个
学院,这次真的要回馈你。

所以你在这里做什么,

首先你开始慢走,
你开始放慢速度。

你会回到简单的状态。

慢走之后,
你就要学会喝水了——

很简单,
喝水大概半个小时。

在此之后,您将
前往磁铁室,

在那里您将
在您的身体上产生一些磁铁流。

然后在这之后,
你去水晶室。

水晶室后,
你去注视室,

注视室后,你
去一个你躺着的房间。

所以这是人体的三个基本姿势

坐、站、卧。

并且走得很慢。

并且有一个音室。

然后当你看到这一切,

并在
精神上和身体

上做好准备之后,你就可以准备好看到
一些持续时间很长的东西,

比如在非物质艺术中。

可以是音乐,可以是歌剧
,可以是戏剧作品

,可以是电影,可以是视频舞蹈。

你去长时间的椅子,
因为现在你很舒服。

在长时间的椅子上,

你被运送到
你将要看到作品的大地方。

如果你睡着了,

这是很有可能的,
因为这是漫长的一天,

你将被
运送到停车场。

(笑声

) 你知道,睡觉很重要。

在睡眠中,你仍在接受艺术。

所以你在停车场停留
了一段时间,

然后
你就知道,回去,

你会看到更多你喜欢看的东西,

或者带着证书回家。

所以这个学院现在是虚拟的。

现在,我只是
在巴西建立我的研究所,

然后它会在澳大利亚,

然后它会来到这里,
到加拿大和任何地方。

而这是体验
一种简单的方法,

你如何
在自己的生活中回归简单。

数米将是另一回事。

(笑声)

你知道,如果你数米,
你也可以创造生命。

如何数米六小时?

这非常重要。

你知道,你经历
了无聊、愤怒

、完全沮丧、没有完成
你计算的米量的整个过程。

然后当令人满意的工作完成时
,你会得到难以置信的平静

——

或者数着沙漠中的沙子。

或者有声音隔离的情况

——你有耳机
,你什么都听不见

,你只是
在一起没有声音

,人们经历着寂静,
只是简单的寂静。

在我们的生活中,我们总是在做我们喜欢做的事情。

这就是为什么你没有改变。

你在生活中做事——

如果你总是以同样的方式做事,那就什么都不会发生。

但我的方法是做
我害怕的事情,我害怕

的事情,我不知道的事情,


没有人去过的领域。

然后还包括失败。

我认为失败很重要,

因为如果你去
尝试,你可能会失败。

如果你不进入那个领域
并且你没有失败,

那么你实际上是
在一遍又一遍地重复自己。

我认为人类
现在需要改变

,唯一要做的改变
是个人层面的改变。

你必须自己做出改变。

因为
改变意识

和改变我们周围世界的唯一方法,

就是从你自己开始。

很容易批评
它有多么不同,

世界上的事情
和他们不正确

,政府腐败
,世界上有饥饿

,有战争——杀戮。

但是我们在个人层面上所做的——

我们
对整个事情的贡献是什么?

你现在可以转向
你不认识的邻居,用他们

的眼睛盯着他们整整两分钟
吗?

(喋喋不休)

我问你两分钟
的时间,太少了。

慢慢呼吸,不要试图眨眼,
不要自觉。

放松。

在你的眼里,在他的眼里,只是看着一个完全陌生的人。

(沉默)

谢谢你对我的信任。

(掌声)

克里斯·安德森:谢谢。

太感谢了。