Trusting Your Gut Is A LongTerm Game

Transcriber: Petra Molnárová
Reviewer: Emma Dovlatyan

So, six years ago, I started a company
in sustainability in Shanghai

and everyone thought I was crazy.

Everyone said, ″you’re going to use
waste in people’s office?

People will be paying for this?
Are you insane?″

And now, six years later,
people applaud us, like,

″we need more companies
like you, more people like you!″

So it’s a whole different scenario,
it’s a whole different world.

So what got me, six years ago,
to despise everyone, including my family,

telling me, like, ‘don’t do it’,
to actually continue and pursue this idea,

because for me,
it came like a small idea,

which transformed into a calling,

which transformed into a business,

which is today, like,

the government’s main focus
for the next 50 years.

So, today, I want to talk about this

so, this is me, hi!

And…

so I thought, because of my background,

I was asked today
to speak about local issues

and truth be told,

today, I don’t want to talk
about why recycling is important,

I don’t want to talk about ways
we can all ‘save’ the planet -

because I don’t think the planet
needs to be saved,

and honestly, I think we
need to save ourselves.

I’m also not going to tell you
to go back to nature and connect with it,

because what does that even mean?
Connecting with nature?

Instead, I would love to take
these following minutes

to just explain, and maybe it’ll allow
you to connect with yourself first.

Because for me and my job,
if you’re not connected to yourself,

you’re likely not connected
to the environment around you.

So,

let’s go on a trip
down the memory lane.

I’ll take you back to when I was six,

and my favourite thing to do was going
to the back of the yard through the sheds

and next to the sheds, there was a tree

which made it really easy to climb onto
the little roof of the sheds.

And I’d spend hours dreaming about

the adventures I would go on,
like different lands I’d discover.

And when I was not on the roof,

I was actually outside looking
for hidden places

or connecting with people
that I’d never met before.

And…

I grew up and, of course,
like everyone tells you,

well, this isn’t gonna be a job.

You have to think about how you
make money and make a living.

So I forgot about that little dream

of discovering the world
and meeting people.

But sometimes, it would come back
and I don’t know why, I had this urge

to write it down, and I just put it
in a box in my room

and then I forgot about it again.

So I went through
middle school, high school,

then right before,
I was about your age,

when I was about to start studying,

it was actually right
before my postgraduate,

the idea came to me one last time.

And so, of course, I wrote it down
and wrote it down here.

I’ll read it out for you.

I must have been…

21? Around that age.

When I’m 28, I’ll go on
an adventure, I’ll learn how to surf,

how to dance, and how to skate.

By then, I’ll have my motorcycle license.

I could live in a car
if I had to.

I won’t forget what
life really is all about for me.

Adventure, good food,

discovering new people, places, love.

I won’t care about having
the latest fashion must-haves,

the best car,

the previous house,
I’d live by myself.

But for now, I’ll go and I’ll learn
stuff that interests me,

have a good job,

save a lot of money

and be ready

for when I’m 28.

I’m 28 now.

(Laughter)

So, I went to do my postgraduate,

and the last class was called
Sustainable Luxury.

It was basically a week of watching
depressing documentaries,

but it was not a small voice anymore
that I had inside my head.

It was a full-body experience.

I had eight hours of per day high energy,
my hair was up.

I was so excited.

I saw so many problems, so many
solutions, and I could not wait!

I knew this was something I was
going to do for the rest of my life.

And then I forgot, again,
for two months.

I wrote it down in my phone
to find it there later,

to have the same experience
all over again.

And this time, I just did not ignore it.

I thought, no, no, no! I could not
see myself doing anything else.

So I came to Shanghai

and I was looking for
a job in sustainability.

And again, people were like, what?

Sustainability?

No, I don’t think so, not here.

It’s not important.

But I spoke about it
and then people said,

‘Oh, well, actually,
this is interesting’.

Then within three months,
I was talking to people about it

and then within six months,
people asked to do workshops

around this topic.

And then within one year,
I had my first corporate clients.

Then I thought, I’m onto something.

So I continued and I started my company.

I was 24 and it was so hard.

It was so difficult.

But I had so much energy,

and I learned so much,
I made so many mistakes.

I got rejected so many times.

People still thought I was crazy

but I persevered,
I pushed and pushed.

Sometimes, the client would be like

‘yes, I need your help,
we’ll do a workshop here’

and somehow I survived, I made
money just enough to survive.

And then we got way more help.

I was able to hire people
to help me do the things

and everything was great.

2019 was the best year. Yes.

In my head, I was like, this is it.

I achieved what I wanted
to achieve at 24.

And then at the end of 2019,

this little voice came back.

Saying, ’Hi, cool!
so, we achieved it?

How about this little adventure we’ve been
dreaming of for the last twenty years?′

And I was like, no.

I don’t know.

I’m on a roll!

I’m doing so good!

Like, no, we’re gonna push and do more
of what I’m doing right now!

I don’t have time for this.

And then 2020 came and it was brutal.

It was really brutal.

We survived, but…

I tried everything in 2020
to stay on this track.

I tried everything, I created
the best products ever!

It’s a digital product.
It’s my best thing

I’ve created in the last five-six years,

barely anyone bought it.

I called every single person I got
in contact with in the last five years.

No one bought one of my services -

and they’re not that expensive.

So then,

2020 really broke me down to my knees.
Nothing, nothing worked.

And then, in 2021,
this voice came back saying,

’So…

adventure?′

And… I’m 28 and I found this note.

I found this note again
two months ago in January.

And I thought, well, maybe I’ll try.

So I started a project.

The company is still here.
It’s running by itself.

I thought, well,

if I can create the impact
I want to have on people

it can happen if I start
this new adventure,

because I’ll be able to have more
impact and talk to more people

and actually show way more
and faster than if I was just in Shanghai.

So now I’m embarking on a new adventure.

I’m going to create a documentary
about Chinese innovators

and change-makers who already exist.

They’re just not in my city.

So, I’m going to go on this adventure.

And again, this will be something new.

But what I found is that when you
do choose to listen to that little voice

and you actually persevere,
life kind of helps you in a way,

like it did when I started in Shanghai.
It helped me and it’s helping me again.

I think the biggest message, for me,
today, especially as an environmentalist,

is that the planet
doesn’t need to be saved.

But we need, truly, to save ourselves.

I don’t deny that we’re looking

at environmental disasters
in the near future,

but I don’t think that

things like - recycling
is helpful for sure,

But I think, again, what we need,
is for you to connect to yourself.

Because if you’re connected to yourself,

you’ll be connected to the
environment around you.

And this in itself will just help
the environment forward.

Are we creating too much waste? Yes.

Way too much.

Are species dying every day?

Yes. Thousands.

Is the planet becoming unlivable
every day a little bit more?

It is.

I think it’s crazy that we spend
so much money on

filters for clean air and water,
when you actually think that

those things are actually free.

But we spend no money on clothes

and that’s actually something that we
should be paying more money

for good quality.

So if your little voice
inside your head tells you

all you wanna do all day
is rock climb, do music,

invest in stocks - that’s great, too,

save people’s lives,

then please do it.

Will it be easy?

No.

It will be very difficult,
but it will be amazing.

You will feel so alive.

Will it be scary?

Yes, so scary because you’re
going against everything

and what you think
people will tell you.

So, I think my message today is,
the little voice inside your head,

It’s not going to have short-term results.

I think there is one country
that really understands the benefits

of the long term. It’s China.

So, trusting your gut,

listening to that little voice
is a long-term game.

I really invite you to start today

and trust it

and I can tell you,
you won’t regret it.

Thank you so much.

(Applause)

抄写员:Petra Molnárová
审稿人:Emma

Dovlatyan 六年前,我
在上海创办了一家可持续发展公司

,当时所有人都认为我疯了。

每个人都说,“你打算
在人们的办公室里使用废物吗?

人们会为此付出代价吗?
你疯了吗?”

而现在,六年后,
人们为我们鼓掌,比如,

“我们需要更多
像你这样的公司,更多像你这样的人!”

所以这是一个完全不同的场景
,一个完全不同的世界。

是什么让我,六年前
,鄙视所有人,包括我的家人,

告诉我,“不要这样做”
,实际上继续并追求这个想法,

因为对我来说,
它就像一个小想法

, 转变为一种呼唤,

它转变为一项业务,

这就像今天一样,

是政府
未来 50 年的主要关注点。

所以,今天,我想谈谈

这个,这就是我,嗨!

而且…

所以我想,由于我的背景,

今天我被
要求谈论当地的问题

,说实话,

今天,我不想
谈论为什么回收很重要,

我不想谈论
我们都可以“拯救”地球的方式——

因为我认为地球
不需要被拯救

,老实说,我认为我们
需要拯救自己。

我也不会告诉
你回归自然并与它联系,

因为这甚至意味着什么?
与自然联系?

相反,我很想
用接下来的几分钟

来解释一下,也许它会让
你先与自己建立联系。

因为对于我和我的工作来说,
如果你不与自己建立联系,

你可能就不会与
周围的环境建立联系。

所以,

让我们
沿着记忆之路走一趟吧。

我带你回到六岁的时候

,我最喜欢做的事情是
穿过棚子走到院子后面,在

棚子旁边有一棵树

,很容易
爬上小屋顶 的棚子。

我会花几个小时梦想

我将继续进行的冒险,
比如我会发现的不同土地。

当我不在屋顶时,

我实际上是在外面
寻找隐藏的地方

或与
我以前从未见过的人联系。

而且…

我长大了,当然,
就像每个人都告诉你的那样,

好吧,这不是一份工作。

您必须考虑如何
赚钱和谋生。

所以我忘记了那个

发现世界
和认识人的小梦想。

但有时,它会回来
,我不知道为什么,我有一种

想把它写下来的冲动,我只是把它
放在我房间的一个盒子里

,然后我又忘记了。

所以我
读了初中、高中,

然后就在之前,
我和你差不多大,

我要开始学习的时候,

其实是
在我研究生之前,

最后一次想到了这个想法。

所以,当然,我把它写
下来并写在这里。

我会为你读出来的。

我一定是…

21? 差不多那个年纪。

当我 28 岁时,我会
去冒险,我会学习如何冲浪、

如何跳舞和如何滑冰。

到那时,我将获得我的摩托车执照。

如果必须的话,我可以住在车里。

我不会忘记
生活对我来说真正的意义。

冒险,美食,

发现新的人,地方,爱。

我不在乎
拥有最新的时尚必备品

,最好的汽车

,以前的房子,
我会自己住。

但是现在,我会去,我会学习
我感兴趣的东西,

找到一份好工作,

节省很多钱,

为我 28 岁的时候做好准备。我现在 28

岁。

(笑声)

所以,我去读研究生

,最后一门课叫做
可持续奢侈品。

这基本上是一个星期看
令人沮丧的纪录片,

但它不再
是我脑海中的一个小声音。

这是一次全身心的体验。

我每天有八个小时的高能量,
我的头发竖起来了。

我是如此兴奋。

我看到了这么多问题,这么多
解决方案,我等不及了!

我知道这
是我余生要做的事情。

然后我又忘记
了两个月。

我把它写在我的手机
里,以便稍后找到它,

再次拥有相同的
体验。

而这一次,我只是没有忽视它。

我想,不,不,不! 我
看不到自己做任何其他事情。

所以我来到上海

,我正在寻找
一份可持续发展的工作。

再一次,人们就像,什么?

可持续性?

不,我不这么认为,不是在这里。

这并不重要。

但我谈到了它
,然后人们说,

‘哦,好吧,实际上,
这很有趣’。

然后在三个月内,
我与人们谈论它

,然后在六个月内,
人们要求

围绕这个主题举办研讨会。

然后在一年之内,
我有了我的第一批企业客户。

然后我想,我正在做某事。

所以我继续,我开始了我的公司。

我24岁,这太难了。

这太难了。

但是我精力充沛

,我学到了很多东西,
我犯了很多错误。

我被拒绝了很多次。

人们仍然认为我疯了,

但我坚持了,
我推了又推。

有时,客户会说

“是的,我需要你的帮助,
我们会在这里做一个研讨会”

,不知何故我活了下来,我
赚的钱刚好够活。

然后我们得到了更多的帮助。

我能够
雇人帮我做事

,一切都很棒。

2019年是最好的一年。 是的。

在我的脑海里,我想,就是这样。


在 24 岁时实现了我想要实现的目标。

然后在 2019 年底,

这个小声音又回来了。

说,‘嗨,酷!
那么,我们实现了吗?

过去二十年来我们一直梦想的这个小冒险怎么样?'

我想,不。

我不知道。

我在滚!

我做得很好!

就像,不,我们将推动并做
更多我现在正在做的事情!

我没有时间做这个。

然后2020年来了,很残酷。

这真的很残酷。

我们活了下来,但是……

我在 2020 年尽一切
努力保持在这条轨道上。

我尝试了一切,我创造
了有史以来最好的产品!

这是一个数字产品。
这是

我在过去五六年里创造的最好的东西,

几乎没有人买它。

我打电话
给过去五年里我接触过的每一个人。

没有人购买我的一项服务——

而且它们并不贵。

所以,

2020年真的让我崩溃了。
没有,没有任何效果。

然后,在 2021 年,
这个声音回来了,说:

“所以……

冒险?”

而且……我 28 岁,我找到了这张纸条。

两个月前的一月份,我再次发现了这张纸条。

我想,好吧,也许我会试试。

于是我开始了一个项目。

公司还在。
它自己运行。

我想,好吧,

如果我能
对人们产生我想对人们产生的影响,那么

如果我开始
这个新的冒险,它就会发生,

因为我将能够产生更大的
影响并与更多的人交谈,

并且实际上展示的方式
比 如果我只是在上海。

所以现在我开始了新的冒险。

我将制作一部
关于

已经存在的中国创新者和变革者的纪录片。

他们只是不在我的城市。

所以,我要继续这次冒险。

再一次,这将是新事物。

但我发现,当你
确实选择倾听那个小声音

并且你真的坚持下来时,
生活会在某种程度上帮助你,

就像我刚开始在上海时所做的那样。
它帮助了我,它再次帮助了我。

我认为,今天对我来说
,尤其是作为一名环保主义者,最大的信息

是地球
不需要被拯救。

但我们确实需要拯救自己。

我不否认我们

在不久的将来会面临环境灾难,

但我不认为

像回收这样的事情
肯定有帮助,

但我认为,我们需要的
是让你连接到 你自己。

因为如果你与自己相连,

你就会与周围的
环境相连。

而这本身只会
帮助环境向前发展。

我们是否制造了太多的浪费? 是的。

太多了。

物种每天都在死亡吗?

是的。 数千。

这个星球
每天都变得不宜居住吗?

它是。

我认为我们在

清洁空气和水的过滤器上花费这么多钱是很疯狂的,
而你实际上认为

这些东西实际上是免费的。

但是我们没有在衣服上花钱

,这实际上是我们
应该花更多的钱来

换取高质量的东西。

所以,如果
你脑海中的小声音告诉你,

你整天想做的
就是攀岩、做音乐、

投资股票——那也很好,

拯救人们的生命,

那就去做吧。

会容易吗?

不,

这将是非常困难的,
但它会是惊人的。

你会觉得自己很有活力。

会不会很吓人?

是的,太可怕了,因为
你反对一切

以及你认为
人们会告诉你的事情。

所以,我想我今天的信息是,
你脑海中的小声音,

它不会有短期的结果。

我认为有一个
国家真正了解

长期利益。 是中国。

所以,相信你的直觉,

倾听那个小小的声音
是一场长期的游戏。

我真的邀请您从今天开始

并相信它

,我可以告诉您,
您不会后悔的。

太感谢了。

(掌声)