Fossil fuel companies know how to stop global warming. Why dont they Myles Allen

Transcriber: TED Translators Admin
Reviewer: Rhonda Jacobs

So here’s a thought.

The fossil fuel industry
knows how to stop causing global warming,

but they’re waiting
for somebody else to pay,

and no one is calling them out on it.

I was one of the authors
of the 2018 IPCC report

on 1.5 degrees Celsius.

And after the report was published,

I gave a lot of talks, including one
to a meeting of young engineers

of one of the world’s major
oil and gas companies.

And at the end of the talk,
I got the inevitable question,

“Do you personally believe
there’s any chance

of us limiting global
warming to 1.5 degrees?”

IPCC reports are not really
about personal opinions,

so I turned the question around and said,

“Well, if you had to fully
decarbonize your product,

that is, dispose safely and permanently
of one ton of carbon dioxide

for every ton generated
by the oil and gas you sell,

by 2050, which is what it would take,

would you be able to do so?”

“Would the same rules
apply to everybody?” somebody asked,

meaning, of course, their competition.

I said, “OK, yeah, maybe they would.”

Now, the management
just looked at their shoes;

they didn’t want to answer the question.

But the young engineers
just shrugged and said,

“Yes, of course we would,
like it’s even a question.”

So I want to talk to you

about what those young
engineers know how to do:

decarbonize fossil fuels.

Not decarbonize the economy,

or even decarbonize their own company,

but decarbonize the fuels themselves,

and this matters

because it turns out to be essential
to stopping global warming.

At a global level, climate change
turns out to be surprisingly simple:

To stop global warming

we need to stop dumping carbon
dioxide into the atmosphere.

And since about 85 percent
of the carbon dioxide we currently emit

comes from fossil fuels and industry,

we need to stop fossil fuels
from causing further global warming.

So how do we do that?

Well, it turns out
there’s really only two options.

The first option is,
in effect, to ban fossil fuels.

That’s what “absolute zero” means.

No one allowed to extract,
sell, or use fossil fuels

anywhere in the world
on pain of a massive fine.

If that sounds unlikely,
it’s because it is.

And even if a global ban were possible,

do you or I in wealthy countries in 2020

have any right to tell the citizens

of poor and emerging
economies in the 2060s

not to touch their fossil fuels?

Some people argue
that if we work hard enough

we can drive down the cost
of renewable energy so far

that we won’t need to ban fossil fuels,

the people will stop using them
of their own accord.

This kind of thinking
is dangerously optimistic.

For one thing, renewable energy costs
might not go down as fast as they hope.

I mean, remember,

nuclear energy was meant to be
too cheap to meter in the 1970s,

but even more importantly,

we’ve no idea how low
fossil fuel prices might fall

in response to that competition.

There are so many uses of fossil carbon,

from aviation fuel to cement production,

it’s not enough for carbon-free
alternatives to outcompete the big ones,

to stop fossil fuels
from causing further global warming,

carbon-free alternatives
would need to outcompete them all.

So the only real alternative to stop
fossil fuels causing global warming

is to decarbonize them.

I know that sounds odd,

decarbonize fossil fuels.

What it means is,

one ton of carbon dioxide has to be safely
and permanently disposed of

for every ton generated
by the continued use of fossil fuels.

Now, consumers can’t do this,

so the responsibility
has to lie with the companies

that are producing and selling
the fossil fuels themselves.

Their engineers know how to do it.

In fact, they’ve known for decades.

The simplest option is to capture
the carbon dioxide as it’s generated

from the chimney of a power station,
or blast furnace, or refinery.

You purify it, compress it,
and re-inject it back underground.

If you inject it deep enough
and into the right rock formations,

it stays there, just like
the hydrocarbons it came from.

To stop further global warming,

permanent storage has to mean
tens of thousands of years at least,

which is why trying to mop up
our fossil carbon emissions

by planting trees can help,

but it can only be a temporary stopgap.

For some applications
like aviation fuel, for example,

we can’t capture
the carbon dioxide at source,

so we have to recapture it,
take it back out of the atmosphere.

That can be done;
there’s companies already doing it,

but it’s more expensive.

And this points to the single
most important reason

why recapturing and safe disposal
of carbon dioxide

is not already standard practice:

cost.

It’s infinitely cheaper just to dump
carbon dioxide into the atmosphere

than it is to capture it
and dispose of it safely back underground.

But the good news is,

we don’t need to dispose of 100 percent

of the carbon dioxide we generate
from burning fossil fuels right away.

Economists talk about
cost-effective pathways,

by which they mean
ways of achieving a result

without unfairly dumping
too much of the cost

onto the next generation.

And a cost-effective pathway,

which gets us to
decarbonizing fossil fuels,

100 percent carbon capture
and storage by 2050,

which is what net-zero means,

takes us through 10 percent
carbon capture in 2030,

50 percent in 2040,

100 percent in 2050.

To put that in context,

we are currently capturing
and storing less than 0.1 percent.

So don’t get me wrong,

decarbonizing fossil fuels
is not going to be easy.

It’s going to mean building
a carbon dioxide disposal industry

comparable in size
to today’s oil and gas industry.

The only entities in the world

that have the engineering capability

and the deep pockets to do this

are the companies that produce
the fossil fuels themselves.

We can all help by slowing
down our use of fossil carbon

to buy them time to decarbonize it,

but they still have to get on with it.

Now, adding the cost
of carbon dioxide disposal

will make fossil fuel-based
products more expensive,

and a 10 percent storage requirement
by 2030, for example,

might add a few pence
to the cost of a liter of petrol.

But, unlike a tax,

that money is clearly being spent
on solving the problem,

and of course, consumers will respond,

perhaps by switching
to electric cars, for example,

but they won’t need to be told to do so.

And crucially, if developing countries
agreed to use fossil fuels

that have been progressively
decarbonized in this way,

then they never need accept limits
on the absolute amount that they consume,

which they fear
might constrain their growth.

Over the past couple of years,

more and more people have been talking

about the importance
of carbon dioxide disposal.

But they’re still talking about it

as if it’s to be paid for
by philanthropy or tax breaks.

But why should foundations
or the taxpayer pay to clean up

after a still-profitable industry?

No. We can decarbonize fossil fuels.

And if we do decarbonize fossil fuels,

as well as getting things like
deforestation under control,

we will stop global warming.

And if we don’t, we won’t.

It’s as simple as that.

But it’s going to take a movement
to make this happen.

So how can you help?

Well, it depends on who you are.

If you work or invest
in the fossil fuel industry,

don’t walk away from the problem
by selling off your fossil fuel assets

to someone else
who cares less than you do.

You own this problem.

You need to fix it.

Decarbonizing your portfolio
helps no one but your conscience.

You must decarbonize your product.

If you’re a politician or a civil servant,

you need to look at your favorite
climate policy and ask:

How is it helping
to decarbonize fossil fuels?

How is it helping to increase the fraction

of carbon dioxide
we generate from fossil fuels

that is safely and
permanently disposed of?

If it isn’t, then it may be
helping to slow global warming,

which is useful,

but unless you believe in that ban,
it isn’t going to stop it.

Finally, if you’re an environmentalist,

you probably find the idea
of the fossil fuel industry itself

playing such a central role in solving
the climate change problem disturbing.

“Won’t those carbon
dioxide reservoirs leak?”

you’ll worry,

“Or won’t some in the industry cheat?”

Over the coming decades,
there probably will be leaks,

and there may be cheats,

but those leaks and those cheats

will make decarbonizing
fossil fuels harder,

they don’t make it optional.

Global warming won’t wait
for the fossil fuel industry to die.

And just calling for it to die

is letting it off the hook
from solving its own problem.

In these divided times,
we need to look for help

and maybe even friends
in unexpected places.

It’s time to call on
the fossil fuel industry

to help solve the problem
their product has created.

Their engineers know how,

we just need to get the management
to look up from their shoes.

Thank you.

抄写员:TED Translators Admin
Reviewer:Rhonda Jacobs

所以这里有一个想法。

化石燃料行业
知道如何停止导致全球变暖,

但他们正在
等待其他人支付费用,

而没有人呼吁他们这样做。

我是
2018 年 IPCC

1.5 摄氏度报告的作者之一。

报告发表后,

我进行了很多演讲,其中

一次是参加世界主要
石油和天然气公司之一的年轻工程师会议。

在演讲结束时,
我不可避免地提出了一个问题,

“你个人认为
我们有

可能将全球
变暖限制在 1.5 度吗?”

IPCC 的报告并不是真正
的个人意见,

所以我把问题转过来说:

“好吧,如果你必须对
你的产品进行完全脱碳,

也就是说,每吨石油产生的二氧化碳要安全和永久地
处置一吨二氧化碳


和你卖的天然气,

到 2050 年,这是需要的

,你能做到吗?”

“相同的规则是否
适用于所有人?” 有人问,

意思当然是他们的竞争。

我说,“好吧,是的,也许他们会的。”

现在,管理层
只是看着他们的鞋子;

他们不想回答这个问题。

但年轻的工程师
只是耸了耸肩说:

“是的,我们当然会,
就像这是一个问题。”

所以我想和你

谈谈那些年轻
工程师知道怎么做:

化石燃料脱碳。

不是让经济脱碳,甚至不是让

他们自己的公司

脱碳,而是让燃料本身脱碳

,这很重要,

因为事实证明这
对于阻止全球变暖至关重要。

在全球范围内,气候
变化非常简单:

为了阻止全球变暖,

我们需要停止
向大气中排放二氧化碳。

由于
我们目前排放的二氧化碳中约有 85%

来自化石燃料和工业,因此

我们需要阻止化石燃料
进一步导致全球变暖。

那么我们该怎么做呢?

好吧,事实
证明只有两个选择。

第一种
选择实际上是禁止化石燃料。

这就是“绝对零”的意思。

任何人都不允许在世界任何地方开采、
出售或使用化石燃料,否则将面临

巨额罚款。

如果这听起来不太可能,
那是因为它是。

即使全球禁令是可能的,

你或我在 2020 年的富裕国家

是否有权告诉 2060 年代

贫穷和新兴
经济体的公民

不要接触他们的化石燃料?

有人争辩
说,如果我们足够努力,

我们可以
将可再生能源的成本降低到

不需要禁止化石燃料的程度

,人们就会自动停止使用
它们。

这种想法
是危险的乐观。

一方面,可再生能源成本
可能不会像他们希望的那样迅速下降。

我的意思是,请记住,

核能
在 1970 年代本来就太便宜而无法计量,

但更重要的是,

我们不知道
化石燃料价格

会因竞争而下降多低。

化石碳的用途如此之多,

从航空燃料到水泥生产

,无碳
替代品不足以胜过大型替代品,

为了阻止化石燃料
进一步导致全球变暖,

无碳替代品
需要在竞争中胜过所有 .

因此,阻止化石燃料导致全球变暖的唯一真正替代方案

是使它们脱碳。

我知道这听起来很奇怪,让

化石燃料脱碳。

这意味着,对于持续使用化石燃料产生的

每一吨二氧化碳,必须安全
、永久地处理一吨二氧化碳

现在,消费者无法做到这一点,

因此责任
必须落在自己

生产和
销售化石燃料的公司身上。

他们的工程师知道怎么做。

事实上,他们已经认识了几十年。

最简单的选择是捕获

发电站、
高炉或炼油厂烟囱产生的二氧化碳。

你净化它,压缩它,
然后将它重新注入地下。

如果你将它注入足够深
并进入正确的岩层,

它就会留在那里,就像
它来自的碳氢化合物一样。

为了阻止进一步的全球变暖,

永久储存必须
至少意味着数万年,

这就是为什么试图通过种植树木来
减少我们的化石碳排放

会有所帮助,

但这只能是临时的权宜之计。

例如,对于航空燃料等某些应用,

我们无法
从源头捕获二氧化碳,

因此我们必须重新捕获它,
将其从大气中带回。

这是可以做到的;
已经有公司在做,

但价格更高。

这指出了二氧化碳的

回收和安全处置

尚未成为标准做法的一个最重要的原因:

成本。


二氧化碳排放到大气中

要比捕获二氧化碳
并安全地排放回地下要便宜得多。

但好消息是,

我们不需要立即处理 100%

燃烧化石燃料产生的二氧化碳。

经济学家谈论具有
成本效益的途径

,他们指的
是在

不不公平地将
过多成本

倾倒给下一代的情况下实现结果的方法。

一条具有成本效益的途径,

使我们能够使
化石燃料脱碳,到 2050 年实现

100% 的碳捕获
和储存,

这就是净零的含义,

使我们在 2030 年实现 10% 的
碳捕获,

到 2040 年实现 50%,在 2050 年实现

100% 2050。

为了说明这一点,

我们目前捕获
和存储的数据不到 0.1%。

所以不要误会我的意思,

化石燃料脱碳
并非易事。

这将意味着建立
一个

规模可
与当今石油和天然气行业相媲美的二氧化碳处理行业。

世界上

唯一拥有工程能力

和雄厚财力的实体


自己生产化石燃料的公司。

我们都可以通过
减缓对化石碳的使用

来为他们争取时间进行脱碳来提供帮助,

但他们仍然必须继续努力。

现在,增加
二氧化碳处理成本

将使基于化石燃料的
产品更加昂贵,例如,到 2030 年

,10% 的储存要求

可能会使
一升汽油的成本增加几便士。

但是,与税收不同的是,

这笔钱显然被
用于解决问题

,当然,消费者会做出回应,

比如改用电动汽车,

但他们不需要被告知这样做。

至关重要的是,如果发展中国家
同意使用

以这种方式逐步脱碳的化石燃料,

那么它们就永远不需要接受
对其消耗的绝对数量的限制,

因为它们担心这
可能会限制它们的增长。

在过去的几年里,

越来越多的人一直在谈论

二氧化碳处理的重要性。

但他们仍在谈论它

,好像它是
通过慈善事业或税收减免来支付的。

但是为什么基金会
或纳税人要

在一个仍然有利可图的行业之后出钱清理呢?

不,我们可以使化石燃料脱碳。

如果我们确实使化石燃料脱碳

,并
控制森林砍伐等事情,

我们将阻止全球变暖。

如果我们不这样做,我们就不会。

就这么简单。


要实现这一目标需要采取行动。

那你怎么能帮忙呢?

嗯,这取决于你是谁。

如果您
在化石燃料行业工作或投资,

请不要
通过将您的化石燃料资产出售

给其他
比您关心的人来逃避问题。

你拥有这个问题。

你需要修复它。

使您的投资组合脱碳对
您的良心没有帮助。

您必须对您的产品进行脱碳处理。

如果你是一名政治家或公务员,

你需要看看你最喜欢的
气候政策并问:

它如何
帮助化石燃料脱碳?

它如何帮助增加

我们从化石燃料中产生的二氧化碳的比例,这些二氧化碳

被安全、
永久地处理掉?

如果不是,那么它可能
有助于减缓全球变暖,

这很有用,

但除非你相信该禁令,
否则它不会阻止它。

最后,如果您是一名环保主义者,

您可能会发现
化石燃料行业本身

在解决气候变化问题方面发挥如此重要作用的想法
令人不安。

“那些
二氧化碳容器不会泄漏吗?”

你会担心,

“或者业内的一些人不会作弊吗?”

在接下来的几十年里
,可能会有泄漏

,可能会有作弊,

但这些泄漏和那些作弊

将使
化石燃料的脱碳变得更加困难,

它们不会让它成为可选的。

全球变暖不会
等待化石燃料行业消亡。

只是呼吁它去死

就是让它
摆脱解决自己的问题。

在这些分裂的时代,
我们需要在意想不到的地方寻求帮助

,甚至可能是朋友

是时候
呼吁化石燃料

行业帮助解决
他们的产品造成的问题了。

他们的工程师知道怎么做,

我们只需要让管理层
从他们的鞋子里抬起头来。

谢谢你。