The way we think about work is broken Barry Schwartz

Today I’m going to talk about work.

And the question I want to ask
and answer is this:

“Why do we work?”

Why do we drag ourselves
out of bed every morning

instead of living our lives

just filled with bouncing from one
TED-like adventure to another?

(Laughter)

You may be asking yourselves
that very question.

Now, I know of course,
we have to make a living,

but nobody in this room thinks
that that’s the answer to the question,

“Why do we work?”

For folks in this room,
the work we do is challenging,

it’s engaging, it’s stimulating,
it’s meaningful.

And if we’re lucky,
it might even be important.

So, we wouldn’t work
if we didn’t get paid,

but that’s not why we do what we do.

And in general,

I think we think that material rewards
are a pretty bad reason

for doing the work that we do.

When we say of somebody
that he’s “in it for the money,”

we are not just being descriptive.

(Laughter)

Now, I think this is totally obvious,

but the very obviousness of it
raises what is for me

an incredibly profound question.

Why, if this is so obvious,

why is it that for the overwhelming
majority of people on the planet,

the work they do
has none of the characteristics

that get us up and out of bed
and off to the office every morning?

How is it that we allow
the majority of people on the planet

to do work that is monotonous,
meaningless and soul-deadening?

Why is it that as capitalism developed,

it created a mode of production,
of goods and services,

in which all the nonmaterial satisfactions
that might come from work were eliminated?

Workers who do this kind of work,

whether they do it in factories,
in call centers,

or in fulfillment warehouses,

do it for pay.

There is certainly no other earthly reason
to do what they do except for pay.

So the question is, “Why?”

And here’s the answer:

the answer is technology.

Now, I know, I know –

yeah, yeah, yeah, technology, automation
screws people, blah blah –

that’s not what I mean.

I’m not talking about
the kind of technology

that has enveloped our lives,
and that people come to TED to hear about.

I’m not talking about
the technology of things,

profound though that is.

I’m talking about another technology.

I’m talking about the technology of ideas.

I call it, “idea technology” –

how clever of me.

(Laughter)

In addition to creating things,
science creates ideas.

Science creates ways of understanding.

And in the social sciences,

the ways of understanding that get created
are ways of understanding ourselves.

And they have an enormous influence
on how we think, what we aspire to,

and how we act.

If you think your poverty
is God’s will, you pray.

If you think your poverty is the result
of your own inadequacy,

you shrink into despair.

And if you think your poverty is
the result of oppression and domination,

then you rise up in revolt.

Whether your response to poverty
is resignation or revolution,

depends on how you understand
the sources of your poverty.

This is the role that ideas play
in shaping us as human beings,

and this is why idea technology may be
the most profoundly important technology

that science gives us.

And there’s something special
about idea technology,

that makes it different
from the technology of things.

With things, if the technology sucks,

it just vanishes, right?

Bad technology disappears.

With ideas –

false ideas about human beings
will not go away

if people believe that they’re true.

Because if people believe
that they’re true,

they create ways of living
and institutions

that are consistent
with these very false ideas.

And that’s how the industrial revolution
created a factory system

in which there was really nothing you
could possibly get out of your day’s work,

except for the pay at the end of the day.

Because the father –
one of the fathers

of the Industrial Revolution,
Adam Smith –

was convinced that human beings
were by their very natures lazy,

and wouldn’t do anything
unless you made it worth their while,

and the way you made it worth their while

was by incentivizing,
by giving them rewards.

That was the only reason
anyone ever did anything.

So we created a factory system consistent
with that false view of human nature.

But once that system
of production was in place,

there was really no other way
for people to operate,

except in a way that was consistent
with Adam Smith’s vision.

So the work example is merely an example

of how false ideas
can create a circumstance

that ends up making them true.

It is not true

that you “just can’t get
good help anymore.”

It is true

that you “can’t get good help anymore”

when you give people work to do
that is demeaning and soulless.

And interestingly enough, Adam Smith –

the same guy who gave us
this incredible invention

of mass production, and division of labor

– understood this.

He said, of people who worked
in assembly lines,

of men who worked
in assembly lines, he says:

“He generally becomes as stupid as it is
possible for a human being to become.”

Now, notice the word here is “become.”

“He generally becomes as stupid as it is
possible for a human being to become.”

Whether he intended it or not,
what Adam Smith was telling us there,

is that the very shape of the institution
within which people work

creates people who are fitted
to the demands of that institution

and deprives people of the opportunity

to derive the kinds of satisfactions
from their work that we take for granted.

The thing about science –
natural science –

is that we can spin fantastic
theories about the cosmos,

and have complete confidence

that the cosmos is completely
indifferent to our theories.

It’s going to work the same damn way

no matter what theories
we have about the cosmos.

But we do have to worry about
the theories we have of human nature,

because human nature will be changed
by the theories we have

that are designed to explain
and help us understand human beings.

The distinguished anthropologist,
Clifford Geertz, said, years ago,

that human beings
are the “unfinished animals.”

And what he meant by that
was that it is only human nature

to have a human nature

that is very much the product
of the society in which people live.

That human nature,
that is to say our human nature,

is much more created
than it is discovered.

We design human nature

by designing the institutions
within which people live and work.

And so you people –

pretty much the closest I ever get
to being with masters of the universe –

you people should be asking
yourself a question,

as you go back home
to run your organizations.

Just what kind of human nature
do you want to help design?

Thank you.

(Applause)

Thanks.

今天我要谈谈工作。

我想问
和回答的问题是:

“我们为什么要工作?”

为什么我们每天早上都把自己拖
下床,

不是过着从一场
类似 TED 的冒险跳到另一场的生活?

(笑声)

你可能会问自己
这个问题。

现在,我当然知道,
我们必须谋生,

但这个房间里没有人认为
这就是

“我们为什么要工作?”这个问题的答案。

对于这个房间里的人来说,
我们所做的工作具有挑战性,

很有吸引力,很刺激
,很有意义。

如果我们幸运的话,
它甚至可能很重要。

所以,
如果我们没有得到报酬,我们就不会工作,

但这不是我们做我们所做的事情的原因。

总的来说,

我认为我们认为物质奖励

是我们所做工作的一个非常糟糕的理由。

当我们
说某人“为了钱”时,

我们不仅仅是描述性的。

(笑声)

现在,我认为这是非常明显的,

但它的明显性
提出了一个对我来说

非常深刻的问题。

为什么,如果这很明显,

为什么
对于地球上绝大多数人来说,

他们所做的
工作没有

让我们
每天早上起床、起床和去办公室的特征?

我们怎么会允许
地球上的大多数

人从事单调、
无意义和令人窒息的工作?

为什么随着资本主义的发展,

它创造了一种生产方式
、商品和服务,

在这种方式中,所有可能来自工作的非物质满足
都被消除了?

从事此类工作的工人,

无论是在工厂
、呼叫中心

还是在履行仓库中

,都是有偿工作的。

除了报酬之外,当然没有其他世俗的
理由去做他们所做的事情。

所以问题是,“为什么?”

这就是答案

:答案是技术。

现在,我知道,我知道 -

是的,是的,是的,技术,自动化
让人们陷入困境,等等等等 -

这不是我的意思。

我不是在谈论

那种已经笼罩我们生活的
技术,人们来 TED 是为了听。

我不是在谈论
事物的技术,

尽管那是深刻的。

我说的是另一种技术。

我说的是思想技术。

我称之为“创意技术”——

我真聪明。

(笑声)

除了创造事物,
科学还创造思想。

科学创造了理解的方式。

在社会科学中,

创造出来
的理解方式就是理解我们自己的方式。

它们
对我们的思维方式、我们的追求

以及我们的行为方式有着巨大的影响。

如果你认为你的贫穷
是上帝的旨意,你就祈祷。

如果你认为你的贫穷
是你自己不足的结果,

你就会陷入绝望。

如果你认为你的贫穷
是压迫和统治的结果,

那么你就会反抗。

你对贫困的反应
是辞职还是革命,

取决于你如何理解
贫困的根源。

这就是思想
在塑造我们人类的过程中所起的作用

,这就是为什么思想技术可能是科学赋予我们
的最重要的技术

创意技术有一些特别之处

,使它
不同于事物的技术。

有了东西,如果技术很糟糕,

它就会消失,对吧?

糟糕的技术消失了。

有了想法——

如果人们相信它们是真实的,关于人类的错误想法就不会消失。

因为如果人们
相信他们是真实的,

他们就会创造出

与这些非常错误的想法相一致的生活方式和制度。

这就是工业革命如何
创造了一个工厂系统,

在这个系统中
,除了一天结束的工资之外,你真的无法从一天的工作中得到任何东西

因为父亲——

工业革命之父之一,
亚当·斯密

——相信
人类天生就是懒惰的,

除非你让他们付出的时间

和你创造的方式值得,否则他们不会做任何事情 值得他们花时间

的是激励
,给他们奖励。

这是
任何人做任何事的唯一原因。

所以我们创建了一个
与人性的错误观点相一致的工厂系统。

但是一旦
生产系统到位,

人们就真的没有其他
方式可以运作了,

除非以
符合亚当斯密愿景的方式。

因此,工作示例只是一个示例

,说明错误的想法
如何创造

一种最终使它们成为现实的环境。

说你“再也得不到
好的帮助”是不正确的。

确实

,当您让人们工作时,您“无法再获得良好的帮助”


这是有辱人格和没有灵魂的。

有趣的是,亚当·斯密(Adam Smith)

——同样是为我们提供

了大规模生产和分工这一令人难以置信的发明的人

——理解这一点。

他说,对于在流水线上工作的人,对于
在流水线上工作

的人
,他说:

“他通常会变得尽可能愚蠢
。”

现在,请注意这里的词是“成为”。

“他通常
会变得尽可能愚蠢。”

无论他是否有意
,亚当·斯密在那儿告诉我们的

是,人们工作的机构的形式

创造了
适合该机构要求的人,

并剥夺了人们

获得满足感的机会
从我们认为理所当然的他们的工作中。

关于科学——
自然科学——

的事情是我们可以
提出关于宇宙的奇妙理论,

并且完全

相信宇宙
对我们的理论完全无动于衷。 无论我们对宇宙有什么理论,

它都会以同样的方式工作

但我们确实不得不担心
我们所拥有的关于人性的理论,

因为
我们所拥有

的旨在解释
和帮助我们理解人类的理论会改变人性。

杰出的人类学家
克利福德·格尔茨(Clifford Geertz)多年前曾说过

,人类
是“未完成的动物”。

他的
意思是,只有人性才是

人类生活的社会的产物。

人性,
也就是我们的人性,

是被创造出来的,而
不是被发现的。

我们

通过设计
人们生活和工作的机构来设计人性。

所以你们——

几乎是我
与宇宙大师最接近的

人——你们应该问
自己一个问题,

当你
回家管理你的组织时。

你想帮助设计什么样的人性

谢谢你。

(掌声)

谢谢。