Why we need to pay to manage our waste

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i’d like to share with you two stories

and the first story is about anand

a local scrap dealer i live

in an apartment in bangalore and every

sunday

um ananth comes into our apartment and

sets up sister’s crab shop

outside our gate and then he goes to

various different households

picks up newspaper

carton boxes plastic and he pays

the household for this material brings

the waste

back to this little scrap shop and then

finally

at the end of the day all of this waste

goes

aggregates and then gets sold out to a

recycler

now on the face of it it may seem like a

win

for all but actually it’s not a win for

anand

and i as an entrepreneur know that

because the revenues that he gets

from the sale of this crap will

barely meet all his operational costs

and will barely give him a slim

margin as remuneration for himself

he will also have his wife and his child

in the business because he doesn’t have

to pay them a salary

and even if he could afford an assistant

he would barely be able to pay this

assistant

fair wages so in 21st

century india we have to recognize this

model for what it is

it is an exploitative model and just

because middle class india wants to be

paid for newspapers

we have a system which really encourages

social injustice it encourages

children in the system and it hardly

takes care of our waste

problem because actually this kind of

scrap

is barely two percent of the total waste

that we generate in our homes or in our

offices

my second story is about my journey

in waste and my relationship with waste

so i was just out of college in the

mid-80s

and studied german and therefore decided

that i would like to be a tour guide

and use my language skills so i travel

through the country with my german

tourists

all of us very happy because india is

this great country

wonderful art architecture people

cuisine and then there was this defining

moment one day in madurai outside the

meenakshi temple

we were all awestruck by this you know

the

huge gateways people prayers

and all of that tourists taking pictures

of the temple

and then there was this one tourist who

went slightly

at the side and started taking pictures

of all the waste

and the dumb and you know the ugly sight

around it

and then this tourist turned to me and

said what are you

as a young person going to do about this

side of india now this question stayed

with me for many years in fact it stayed

with me for 20 years and it frustrated

me because

every time i saw garbage you know i felt

helpless

finally when i turned 40 i decided that

this

is the time for me now i would want to

get

into solutions around waste the trigger

for me was also at that time the

municipal solid waste rules

which came out just a year before in

2000

and these municipal solid waste rules

from the government of india

were very aligned with my ideas of what

i wanted to do

it talked of waste as a resource it

talked of

each stakeholder including consumers

actually taking responsibility for their

waste

so that for me was the beginning

of my journey into actually a solution

around waste and i set up this

organization called sahas

sahas in the first few years we worked

as a not-for-profit

uh we focused a lot on reduce which is

the first r

in waste management we also did a lot of

campaigns around

you know less plastic but i knew that

the actual i had to also get into the

real solutions

and that meant um you know taking the

waste of the streets

converting all our waste into resources

so i realized that this solution

now needed a business solution it needed

to be more professional

and that for me was then the start

of transitioning sahas the ngo

to a private limited social enterprise

and so here we are asahas zero waste

which i started in 2013

uh looking to actually bring always

whether it had economic value or not

into a resource um and

today we have three service lines um the

first service line

is around creating a zero waste

campus i mean 40 percent of all our

city’s waste comes from what we call

bulk generators so here you have the

tech parks

the office complexes the malls the

educational institutions

and we actually partner with each of

these as our customers

and then we convert them into zero waste

campuses our second service line is

around

bringing back consumer

waste it could be plastic waste it could

be electronic waste

channeling it through a reverse

logistics system

so that it doesn’t go on our streets it

doesn’t go on to the dump site

it gets recycled and the third service

line

is our sale of products because finally

if we have to

not have waste on our streets the waste

should come back in our homes

and by selling these products we really

close the loop

we bring it back into our homes and we

also demonstrate

a circular economy so let me show you

what happens

in one of our customer locations in

bangalore

and that is the office of microsoft they

have this

big nice campus uh in bangalore

which houses about 3 000 employees

and generates about 1.2 tons

of waste per day they’ve knocked off all

these single-use plastic so

you know there’s less waste on campus

they also have a very good segregation

system

but what we also have is on campus

a unit which manages all their waste

and our team manages that waste so when

the wet waste comes to us

there is a biogas plant on campus and

all the food waste is fed into this

biodigester

from there we get gas that gas is then

piped into the kitchen

and food is cooked there all the dry

waste

comes thank you all the dry waste

comes into the again into our unit

our women do a sorting into paper

plastic metal glass

this waste now moves to our

material recovery facility which is our

factory for waste

and there we have 20 plus categories of

waste in which

you know the materials are sorted so you

will get about six different types of

paper seven different types of plastic

and all of this material is now

a resource all of this material goes

you know into recycling and we then get

paid

by our recyclers but the company also

pays us

a service fee which meets all our

operations

we work like this with several such

campuses and we also work with builders

like rmz in bangalore is a very big

builder

and we partner with all their campuses

to make them

zero waste campus

okay so today sahas manages

80 tons of waste per day

and we have a team strength of 300

250 of them mostly women are our

backbone of our organization they are a

field team

and we make sure because we have a

service fee that we pay them

fair wages so you have them now

move up from you know very low income

households

to a level of being lower middle class

what is the situation in india yeah it

is

in india now we all know the kind of

you know waste garbage problems that we

have around the country

we have 62 million tons of waste being

generated

every year of which just about 70

percent

is actually collected and 20

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processed it’s it’s

scary it’s frightening it’s a big

environment disaster

and why do we have the situation first

of all

no implementation poor enforcement of

the regulations

but also because of our mindsets

a mindset is such now that we look we

don’t understand or we refuse to

recognize the difference

between garbage and waste so whatever

brings us economic value

we will you know manage that but

everything else becomes garbage

so food waste plastic papers all just

mixed

together and when it’s mixed

it can be fixed so this is the waste

that comes on our streets and which

you know we throw our hands up in the

air

waste on the other hand as we’ve seen

is a raw material it’s resource

but it takes extreme effort it takes a

lot of operations

around conversion of this waste

to a resource it takes

investment it takes technology it takes

people

it takes a business model and a business

model

with both a head and a heart so at sahas

we put our heads that’s our zero waste

we’ve put our heads together

to put a professional team in place

to invest in the right technology to

have accountability for every fraction

of waste

till a such time it reaches a recycler

and then the heart is in the

impact because we’re very mindful of all

our waste

going through the cycle we’re very

mindful of our team especially our field

team

being taken care of through at least

fair wages

so it’s always the head and the heart

working together

and that really is the story

of waste to wealth

wealth is really the you know

the uh the kind of resources that we

have the kind of repercussions this

brings in terms of

environment cleaner air cleaner water

wealth is also the social justice system

that we build

now if we want to have and if we value

this wealth

then together we must also commit

collectively

to change and for that to happen

we have to look at adopting

and embracing the polluter pays

principle

so it’s simple all of us are consumers

and all of us through our consumption

patterns

are also polluters so therefore today

as we buy the chips packet and as we buy

that mobile phone

we also have to pay and we as we pay for

the product

we also have to pay for its recycling

and only if we do this will we get

better business models

business models working with the head

and a heart business models

so that anand has the voice

to ask for a service fee when he gives

us this doorstep service

of collecting our newspapers for

recycling

at this point i fondly remember

what nelson mandela said many many years

ago

he said when the head and the heart

work together a formidable force

is created now i do believe that we are

on the brink

of creating a formidable force and it is

this force

that will give us clean air water

soil health social justice

and the ultimate goal of no waste

on our planet thank you

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you

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我想和大家分享两个故事

,第一个故事是关于anand

一个当地的废品经销商我住

在班加罗尔的一个公寓里,每个

星期天

um ananth都会来到我们的公寓,并

在我们的大门外开设姐姐的螃蟹店和 然后他去

各个不同的家庭

拿起报纸

纸箱塑料他付钱

给家庭这种材料

把废物

带回这个小废品店最后

在一天结束时所有这些废物

聚集在一起然后被卖光 对于现在的

回收商来说

,从表面上看,这似乎是所有人的

胜利

,但实际上这不是阿南德的胜利

,我作为一名企业家知道,

因为他

从销售这些垃圾中获得的收入

几乎无法满足他所有的运营 成本,

并且几乎不会给他微薄的

利润作为自己的报酬

他还将让他的妻子和孩子

从事这项业务,因为他

不必支付他们的薪水

,即使他能负担得起助手

他几乎无法支付这个

助理

公平的工资,所以在 21

世纪的印度,我们必须承认这种

模式,因为

它是一种剥削模式,仅仅

因为印度中产阶级想要

为报纸付费,

我们有一个真正的系统 鼓励

社会不公 它鼓励

系统中的儿童 它几乎不

解决我们的废物

问题 因为实际上这种

废料

仅占

我们在家中或办公室产生的总废物的百分之二

我的第二个故事是关于我的

旅程 废物和我与废物的关系,

所以我在 80 年代中期刚从大学毕业

并学习德语,因此

决定我想成为一名导游

并使用我的语言技能,所以我

和我的德国游客一起穿越这个国家

我们很高兴,因为印度

是一个伟大的国家,

美妙的艺术建筑,人们的

美食,然后有

一天,在马杜赖,在

meenakshi 寺外,

我们有了这个决定性的时刻。 对此感到震惊,您知道

巨大的门户,人们在祈祷

,所有游客都在

为寺庙拍照

,然后有一位游客

稍微走到

一边,开始

为所有废物

和哑巴拍照,您知道 周围的丑陋景象

然后这位游客转向我

说你

作为一个年轻人要

对印度的这一边做什么现在这个问题一直困扰

着我很多年事实上它一直困扰

着我 20 年这让我很沮丧

因为

每次我看到垃圾,你知道我最终感到

无助,

当我 40 岁时,我决定

现在是我的时候了,现在我想

找到解决垃圾的方法,

对我来说,触发也是当时的

城市固体废物

规则 就在一年前的

2000

年问世,印度政府的这些城市固体废物规则

与我对

我想做的事情

的想法非常

一致 包括消费者在内的利益相关者

实际上对他们的废物负责,

所以对我来说,这

是我真正

解决废物问题的旅程的开始,我在最初几年成立了一个

名为 sahas

sahas 的组织,我们

是一家非营利组织,

呃,我们 非常注重减少,这

是废物管理中的第一个 r 我们还围绕您开展了很多

活动,

您知道更少的塑料,但我

知道实际我也必须进入

真正的解决方案

,这意味着您知道

浪费 街道

将我们所有的废物转化为资源,

所以我意识到这个解决方案

现在需要一个商业解决方案,它

需要更专业

,对我来说,这是将

sahas 非政府组织

转变为私人有限社会企业的开始

,所以我们就是 asahas 零浪费

,我从 2013 年开始,

嗯,希望实际上总是将

它是否具有经济价值

带入资源中,嗯,

今天我们有三个服务线,嗯,

f 第一条服务线

是围绕创建一个零废物

校园,我的意思是,我们城市 40%

的废物来自我们所说的大

容量发电机,所以这里有

科技

园区、办公大楼、商场、

教育机构

,我们实际上与这些机构中的每

一个合作 我们的客户

,然后我们将他们转变为零废物

校园 我们的第二条服务线是

围绕

回收消费者

废物 可能是塑料废物 可能

是电子废物

通过逆向

物流

系统将其引导到我们的街道

上 不要去垃圾场,

它会被回收,第三条服务

线

是我们的产品销售,因为最后,

如果我们必须

在街道上没有垃圾,垃圾

应该回到我们的家中

,通过销售这些产品,我们真的

关闭了 循环

我们将其带回我们的家中,我们

还展示

了循环经济,所以让我向您展示

我们在班加罗尔的一个客户地点发生了什么

,那就是 微软办公室 他们

在班加罗尔有一个漂亮的大校园,

里面有大约 3000 名员工

,每天产生大约 1.2

吨垃圾 他们已经淘汰了所有

这些一次性塑料,所以

你知道校园里的垃圾也更少了

一个非常好的隔离

系统,

但我们在校园里也有

一个管理所有垃圾的单位

,我们的团队管理这些垃圾,所以

当湿垃圾来到我们

这里时,校园里有一个沼气厂,

所有的食物垃圾都被送入这个

生物消化器

从那里我们得到气体,然后将气体通过

管道输送到厨房

并在那里烹饪食物 所有干

垃圾

都来了 谢谢所有干垃圾

都进入我们的单位

我们的妇女现在将这些垃圾分类成纸

塑料金属玻璃

搬到我们的

材料回收设施,这是我们

的废物工厂

,我们有 20 多个类别的

废物,

您知道其中的材料已分类,因此您

将获得大约六种不同类型的

纸张 甚至不同类型的塑料

和所有这些材料现在都是

一种资源所有这些材料都

进入回收利用,然后我们从

我们的回收商那里获得报酬,但公司还

向我们

支付服务费,以满足

我们像这样合作的所有业务 几个这样的

校园,我们还与

像班加罗尔的 rmz 这样的建筑商合作,这是一个非常大的

建筑商

,我们与他们所有的校园合作,

使他们的

校园零废物

还可以,所以今天 sahas 每天管理

80 吨废物

,我们的团队实力为 300

其中 250 名大部分是女性,他们

是我们组织的骨干,他们是

现场团队

,我们确保因为我们有

服务费,所以我们向他们支付

公平的工资,所以现在你

让他们从你知道的非常低收入的

家庭提升到 作为中下

阶层,印度的情况是什么,是的,现在印度的情况是这样的

每年产生的只有大约 70

%

被实际收集和 20 个

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处理 这很

可怕 很可怕 这是一场大的

环境

灾难 为什么我们会出现这种情况 首先

没有执行 法规执行不力

而且还因为我们的 心态

现在的心态是这样的,我们

看起来不明白,或者我们拒绝

承认

垃圾和废物之间的区别,所以无论什么

给我们带来经济价值,

我们都会知道管理它,但

其他一切都变成垃圾,

所以食物垃圾塑料纸都只是

混合在一起

在一起,当它混合时,

它可以被修复,所以

这是我们街道上的垃圾,

你知道我们把手举在

空气

垃圾中另一方面,正如我们所看到的,它

是一种原材料,它是资源,

但它需要 极其努力

围绕将这种废物

转化为资源需要大量操作 需要

投资 需要技术 需要

人员 需要商业模式 da 商业

模式既有头脑也

有心 在这种情况下,它到达回收商

,然后心脏

受到影响,因为我们非常注意

我们

在整个循环中的所有浪费我们非常

注意我们的团队,尤其是我们的现场

团队

,至少通过

公平的工资得到照顾

所以它总是头脑和心脏

一起工作

,这真的是浪费财富的故事

财富真的是你知道

的那种资源我们

在环境方面带来的那种影响

更清洁的空气更清洁的水

财富 也是我们现在建立的社会正义体系

如果我们想要拥有,如果我们珍视

这种财富,

那么我们也必须共同

致力于改变,为此,

我们必须考虑 采用

并接受污染者付费

原则,

所以很简单,我们所有人都是消费者

,我们所有人通过我们的消费

模式

也是污染者,所以今天

当我们购买芯片包和

购买手机时,

我们也必须付费,我们作为 我们为产品付费

我们还必须为其回收付费

,只有这样做,我们才能获得

更好的商业模式

我们提供

了收集报纸进行

回收

的这种上门服务此时我深情

记得纳尔逊曼德拉多年前

所说的话,他说当头脑和心脏

一起工作时产生了一股强大的力量

,现在我相信我们正

处于濒临崩溃的边缘

创造了一股强大的力量,正是

这股

力量会给我们带来干净的空气

水土健康社会正义

和地球上没有浪费的最终目标

谢谢

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