On being a woman and a diplomat Madeleine Albright

but what is the story this is breaking

the glass ceiling oh that was well

chosen I would say for last then when I

get up in the morning is trying to

figure out what’s going to happen you

know and none of this pin stuff would

have happened if it hadn’t been for

cedam who say I’ll tell you what

happened I went to the United Nations as

ambassador and it was after the Gulf War

and I was an instructed ambassador and

the ceasefire had been translated into a

series of sanctions resolutions and my

instructions were to say perfectly

terrible things about Saddam Hussein

constantly which he deserved he had

invaded another country and so all of a

sudden a poem appeared in the papers in

Baghdad comparing me to many things

but among them an unparalleled serpent

and so I happen to have a snake pin so I

wore it when we talked about Iraq and

when I went out to meet the press they

zeroed and said why are you wearing that

snake pit I said because said I was

saying compared me to an unparalleled

serpent and then I thought well this is

fun so I went out and I bought a lot of

pins that would in fact reflect what I

thought we were going to do on any given

day so that’s how it all started so how

large is the collection then pretty big

it’s now traveling at the moment it’s in

Indianapolis but it was at the

Smithsonian and it goes with a book that

says read my pins so is this a good idea

I remember when you were the first woman

as Secretary of State and there was a

lot of conversation always about what

you were wearing how you looked even

thing that happens to a lot of women

especially if they’re the first in a

position so how do you feel about that

the whole well it’s pretty irritating

actually because nobody ever describes

what a man is wearing but people did pay

attention to what clothes I had what was

interesting was that before I went up to

New York as UN ambassador I talked to

Jeanne Kirkpatrick who’d been ambassador

before me and she said you’ve got to get

rid of your professor clothes go out and

look like a diplomat so

did give me a lot of opportunities to go

shopping but still there were all kinds

of questions about did you wear hat how

short was your skirt and one of the

things if you remember Condoleezza Rice

was at some event and she wore boots and

she got criticized over that and no guy

ever gets criticized but that’s the

least of it it is for all of us men and

women finding our ways of defining our

roles and and doing them in ways that

make a difference in the world and shape

the future how how are you how did you

handle that balance between being the

tough diplomatic and strong voice of

this country to the rest of the world

and also how you felt about yourself as

a mother or grandmother nurturing and so

how did you handle well the interesting

part was I was asked what it was like to

be the first woman Secretary of State a

few minutes after I’d been named and I

said well I’ve been a woman for 60 years

but I’ve only been Secretary of State

for a few minutes so it evolved but

basically I love being a woman and so

what happened and I think there’ll

probably be some people in the audience

that will identify with this I went to

my first meeting at the first at the UN

and that’s when this all started because

that is a very male organization and I’m

sitting there there 15 members of the

Security Council so 14 men sat there

staring at me and I thought well you

know how we all are you want to get the

feeling of the room and do people like

me and will I really say something

intelligent and all of a sudden I

thought well wait a minute I am sitting

behind a sign that says the United

States and if I don’t speak today then

the voice of the United States will not

be heard and it was the first time that

I kind of had that feeling that I had to

step out of myself in my normal kind of

reluctant female mode and decide that I

had to speak on behalf of our country

and so that happened more in various

times but I really think that there was

a great advantage in many ways to being

a woman I think we are

a lot at personal relationships and then

have the capability obviously of telling

it like it is when it’s necessary but I

tell you I have my youngest

granddaughter when she turns seven last

year said to her mother my daughter so

what’s the big deal about Grandma Maddie

being Secretary of State only girls our

Secretary of State

because in her lifetime that’s that

would be so yeah what a change that is

um as you travel now all over the world

what you do frequently how how do you

assess this global narrative around the

story of women and girls where are we

I think we’re slowly changing but

obviously there are whole pockets and

countries where nothing is different and

therefore means that we have to remember

that while many of us have had huge

opportunities and Pat you have been a

real leader in your field is that there

are a lot of women that are not capable

of worrying and taking care of

themselves and understanding that women

had to help other women and so what I

have felt and and I have looked at this

from a national security issue in our

Secretary of State I decided that

women’s issues had to be central to

American foreign policy not just because

I’m a feminist but because I believe

that societies are better off when women

are politically and economically

empowered that values are passed down

the health situation is better education

is better there is a greater economic

prosperity so I think that it is

behooves us those of us that live in

various countries where we do have the

economic and political voice that we

need to help other women and I really

dedicated myself to that both at the UN

and then a Secretary of State and did

you get pushback from but making that a

central tenet of a farm some people I

think that they thought that it was kind

of a soft issue the bottom line that I

decided was actually women’s issues are

the hardest issues because they are the

ones that have to do with life and death

in so many aspects and because as I said

it is really central to the way that we

think about things now for instance some

of the wars that took place when I was

in office a lot of them the women were

the main victims of them for instance

when I started we there were wars in the

Balkans the women in Bosnia were being

raped

then managed to set up a war crimes

tribunal to deal specifically with those

kinds of issues and by the way one of

the things that I did at that stage was

I had just arrived at the UN and when I

was there there were 183 countries in

the UN now they’re 192 but it was one of

the first times that I didn’t have to

cook lunch myself so I said to my

assistant invite the other women

permanent representatives and I thought

when I’d get to my apartment that

there’d be a lot of women there I get

there and there’s six other women out of

183 so the countries that had women

representatives were Canada Kazakhstan

Philippines Trinidad Tobago Jamaica

Liechtenstein and me so being an

American I decided to set up a caucus

and so we set it up and I we called

ourselves the g7 and great girls girl 7

and we lobbied on behalf of women’s

issues so we managed to get two women

judges on this war crimes tribunal and

then what happened was that they were

able to declare the rape was a weapon of

war that it was against humanity

so when you look around the world and

you see that in many cases certainly in

the Western world women are evolving

into more leadership positions and and

even in other places some barriers are

being brought down but there’s still so

much violence still so many problems and

yet we hear there more women at the

negotiating tables now you were at those

negotiating tables when there weren’t

and there was maybe you one voice maybe

one or two others do you believe and can

you tell us why there is going to be a

significant shift in things like

violence and peace and conflict and

resolution and a sustainable basis well

I do think when there are more women

that the the tone of the conversation

changes and also the goals of the

conversation change but it doesn’t mean

that the whole world would be a lot

better if it were totally run by women

we you know if you think that you’ve

forgotten high school so so that but the

bottom line is that I think that there

is a way when there are more women at

the table that there’s an attempt to

develop some understanding so for

instance what I did when I went to

Burundi we got to season Hutu women

together to talk about some of the

problems that have taken place in Rwanda

and so I think the capability of women

to put themselves I think we’re better

about putting ourselves into the other

guy’s shoes and having more empathy I

think it helps in terms of the support

if there are other women in the room

when I was Secretary of State there were

only 13 other women foreign ministers

and so it was nice when one of them

would show up for instance she is now

the president of Finland bateria

Hallinan was the foreign minister of

Finland and at a certain stage head of

the European Union and it was really

terrific because one of the things I

think you’ll understand we went to a

meeting and

men in my delegation when I would say

well I feel we should do something about

this and they said what I mean feel and

so then tario was sitting across the

table from me and all of a sudden and we

were talking about arms control and she

said well I feel we should do this and

you know my male colleagues kind of got

it all of a sudden but I think it really

does help to have a critical mass of

women in a series of foreign policy

positions the other thing that I think

is really important a lot of national

security policy isn’t just about foreign

policy but it’s about budgets and

military budgets and how the debts of

countries work out so if you have women

in a variety of foreign policy posts

they can support each other when there

are budget decisions being made in their

own countries so how do we get you know

this balance we’re looking for than in

the world more women’s voices at the

table more men who believe that the

balance is best well I think one of the

things I’m chairman the board of an

organization called the National

Democratic Institute that works to

support women candidates I think that we

need to help in other countries to train

women to be in political office to

figure out how they can in fact develop

political voices I think we also need to

be supportive when businesses are being

created and just make sure that women

help each other now I have a saying that

I feel very strongly about because I am

of a certain age where when I started in

my career believe it or not there were

other women who criticized me why aren’t

you in the carpool line or aren’t your

children suffering because you’re not

there all the time and I think we have a

tendency to make each other feel guilty

in fact I think guilt is every woman’s

middle name and so I think what needs to

happen is we need to help each other and

my motto is that there’s a special place

in hell for women who don’t help each

other

the secretary Albright I guess you will

be going to heaven thank you for joining

但是这是

打破玻璃天花板的故事哦,这是一个很好的

选择,我要说最后一次,然后当我

早上起床时试图

弄清楚会发生什么,你

知道,如果这些别针的东西都

不会发生 不是

cedam 说我会告诉你

发生了什么事我作为大使去了联合国

,那是在海湾战争之后

,我是一名受命大使

,停火已转化为

一系列制裁决议和 我的

指示是不断地

对萨达姆·侯赛因说完全可怕的事情,

这是他应得的,他

入侵了另一个国家,所以

突然之间,巴格达的报纸上出现了一首诗,

将我与许多事物进行比较,

但其中有一条无与伦比的蛇

,所以我碰巧 有一个蛇形别针,所以

当我们谈论伊拉克时我戴着它,

当我出去会见媒体时,他们

归零并说你为什么戴着那个

蛇坑我说因为我说我

说的是把我比作 一条无与伦比的

蛇,然后我觉得这很

有趣,所以我出去买了很多

别针,这些别针实际上反映了我

认为我们在任何一天要做的事情,

所以这就是一切的开始,所以有

多大 收藏然后相当大

它现在正在

印第安纳波利斯旅行,但它在

史密森尼博物馆,它和一本书一起

说读我的别针所以这是一个好主意

我记得当你是第一个

担任国务卿的女性时

总是谈论

你穿什么你看起来如何甚至

发生在很多女性身上的事情,

特别是如果她们是第一个

担任这个职位的人,那么你对此感觉如何

,这真的很烦人,

因为从来没有人 描述

了一个男人的穿着,但人们确实

关注我穿的衣服

有趣的是,在我

作为联合国大使前往纽约之前,我与在

我之前担任大使的珍妮柯克帕特里克交谈过

,她是 援助你得

脱掉你的教授衣服出去

看起来像个外交官所以

确实给了我很多去购物的机会

但仍然有各种各样

的问题关于你戴帽子

你的裙子有多短和一个

如果你记得康多莉扎·

赖斯在某个活动中,她穿着靴子,

她因此受到批评,没有

人受到批评,但

对于我们所有的男人和女人来说,这是最起码的

以改变世界和

塑造未来的方式来做这些事情,你是如何

处理好

这个国家对世界其他地区的强硬外交和强有力的声音之间的平衡,以及你对世界其他地方的

感受 作为

一个母亲或祖母在养育你自己,那么

你是如何处理好的?有趣的

是,在我被任命几分钟后,有人问我

成为第一位女国务卿是什么感觉

,我

说很好,我一直是 啊 阿曼 60 年,

但我只

担任了几分钟的国务卿,所以它演变了,但

基本上我喜欢做一个女人,所以

发生了什么事,我想

观众中可能会有一些人

认同这一点

第一次去联合国参加了我的第一次会议

,那是一切开始的时候,因为

那是一个非常男性化的组织,我

坐在那里 15 个安理会成员,

所以 14 个男人坐在那里

盯着我看,我觉得你很好

知道我们都怎么样,你想

感受房间的感觉,做像我这样的人

,我真的会说些

聪明的话吗?突然间我

觉得很好,等一下,我坐在

一个标有美国的标志后面

,如果 我今天不说话,

就听不到美国的

声音,这是我第一次

有种感觉,我必须

以我

不情愿的女性模式走出自己,决定我

不得不代表我们国家发言 尝试

,所以这种情况在不同的时期发生得更多,

但我真的认为

作为一个女人在很多方面都有很大的

优势 但我

告诉你,我最小的

孙女去年

七岁时对她的母亲说我的女儿,所以

麦迪奶奶

是国务卿有

什么大不了的 一个改变,

当你现在在世界各地旅行时

你经常做什么你如何

评估这个围绕

女性和女孩故事的全球叙事

我们在哪里我认为我们正在慢慢改变,但

显然有整个口袋和

国家 没有什么不同,

因此意味着我们必须记住

,虽然我们中的许多人都有过巨大的

机会,而帕特,你一直是

你所在领域的真正领导者,但有

一个 很多女性没有

能力担心和照顾

自己,并且理解女性

必须帮助其他女性,所以我

的感受和我

从我们国务卿的国家安全问题

来看这个我决定

女性问题必须成为

美国外交政策的核心,不仅因为

我是女权主义者,而且因为我

相信,当女性

在政治和经济上获得

权力时,社会会变得更好,价值观

得以传承,健康状况更好,

教育更好 更大的经济

繁荣,所以我认为

我们这些生活在

不同国家的人理应拥有

帮助其他妇女所需的经济和政治

发言权,我在联合国

和随后的一个 国务卿,

你有没有受到反对,但把它

作为农场的核心原则,我

认为他们认为这是

一个软问题 我

认为实际上女性问题是

最困难的问题,因为它们

在很多方面都与生死有关,而且正如我所说,

它确实是我们

现在思考事物方式的核心,例如一些

在我上任时发生的战争中,

很多都是女性

是主要受害者,例如,

当我刚开始时,巴尔干半岛发生了战争

,波斯尼亚的女性被

强奸,

然后设法建立了战争罪

专门处理

这类问题的法庭,顺便说一句

,我在那个阶段做的一件事是

我刚到联合国,当我

在那里的时候,联合国有 183 个国家,

现在它们是 192 个,但它 这

是我第一次不用

自己做饭,所以我对我的助理说,

邀请其他女性

常驻代表,我

想当我到达我的公寓时,

那里会有很多女性 到

那里,还有另外六个 183 名女性,

所以有女性代表的国家

是加拿大、哈萨克斯坦、

菲律宾、特立尼达多巴哥、牙买加、

列支敦士登和我,所以作为

美国人,我决定成立一个核心小组

,所以我们成立了,我称

自己为 g7 和伟大的女孩女孩 7

我们代表妇女

问题进行游说,所以我们设法让两名女

法官在这个战争罪行法庭上,

然后发生的事情是,他们

能够宣布强奸是一种

战争武器,它是反人类的,

所以当你环顾四周时 世界,

你会看到,在许多情况下,

在西方世界,女性肯定正在演变

为更多的领导职位,

甚至在其他地方,一些障碍

正在被消除,但仍然存在如此

多的暴力,仍然有如此多的问题,

但我们听到更多的女性在

谈判桌现在你在那些

谈判桌上,当时没有

,也许你只有一个声音,也许

一两个其他人你相信吗?你能说出来

吗? 我们为什么会

暴力、和平、冲突和

解决以及可持续的基础等方面发生重大转变

我确实认为,当有更多女性

时,谈话的基调和谈话

的目标也会

改变,但是 这并不意味着

如果它完全由女性管理,整个世界会变得更好,

如果你认为你已经

忘记了高中,我们知道,但

最重要的是,我认为

有办法 当桌上有更多女性

时,试图

建立一些理解,

例如我去布隆迪时所做的事情,

我们让胡图族女性

一起讨论

卢旺达发生的一些问题

,所以我 认为

女性自我定位的能力 我认为我们最好设身处

地为对方

着想,并有更多的同理心

担任国务卿时

只有 13 位其他女性外交部长

,因此其中一位出现真是太好

了,例如,她现在

是芬兰总统 bateria

Hallinan 是芬兰的外交部长

,在某个阶段

担任欧洲领导人 联盟,这真的

很棒,因为我

想你会明白其中一件事,我们去

开会了,

我代表团的人当我说

好的时,我觉得我们应该为此做点什么

,他们说我的意思,

所以然后 tario 坐在我对面的

桌子上,突然间,我们

正在谈论军备控制,她

说很好,我觉得我们应该这样做,

你知道我的男同事

突然明白了,但我认为确实

如此 帮助在一系列外交政策职位上拥有足够数量的

女性

另一件我认为

非常重要的事情 很多国家

安全政策不仅与外交

政策有关,而且与预算和

军事预算有关 ET 以及国家的债务是如何计算的

,所以如果你有

女性担任各种外交政策职位

,当他们自己的国家做出预算决定时,她们可以互相支持,

所以我们如何让你知道

我们正在寻找的这种平衡 因为

比世界上更多的女性在

餐桌上的声音更多的男性

认为平衡是最好的

我们

需要帮助其他国家/地区培训

女性担任政治职务,以

弄清楚她们实际上如何发展

政治声音

有一句话让

我深有感触 因为我已经

到了一定的年纪 当我开始

我的职业生涯时 信不信由你 有

其他女人批评我 为什么你不

拼车 或者你的

孩子不是因为你一直不在而受苦吗?

我认为我们有

让彼此感到内疚

的倾向事实上我认为内疚是每个女人的

中间名,所以我认为需要

发生的是我们 需要互相帮助,

我的座右铭是地狱里有一个特殊的地方

给不互相帮助的女人,

奥尔布赖特秘书,我想你

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