Why women should tell the stories of humanity Jude Kelly

Why do we think

that stories by men are deemed
to be of universal importance,

and stories by women are thought
to be merely about women?

My grandmother left school
when she was 12.

She had 14 children.

My mother left school when she was 15.

She was a secretary.

I graduated from university
to become a theater director,

and that progress is entirely to do
with the fact that people I’ll never meet

fought for women to have rights,

get the vote, get education,
have progress.

And I’m determined to do the same,
and obviously you are, too.

Why not?

(Applause)

So I started a festival called WOW,
Women of the World, seven years ago,

and it’s now in 20 countries
across five continents.

And one of those countries
is Somaliland in Africa.

So I traveled there last year,

and part of the joy I had in going there
was going to these caves.

The Laas Geel caves.

Now, these caves contain some
of the oldest cave paintings in the world.

These paintings are thought to be
round about 9,000 to 11,000 years old.

Art:

what humanity has done
ever since it evolved.

It’s how we speak about ourselves,

how we understand our identity,

how we look at our surroundings,

who we find out about each other

because of the meaning of our lives.

That’s what art is for.

So look at this little picture.

I think it’s a little girl.

I thought it was a bit like me
when I was a little girl.

And I thought, well, who painted
this joyful, youthful figure?

And I asked the curator of the caves.

I said, “Tell me about the men
and women who painted these.”

And he looked at me
absolutely askance, and he said,

“Women didn’t paint these pictures.”

And I said, “Well,
it was 11,000 years ago.”

I said, “How do you know?”

(Laughter)

And he said, “Women don’t do these things.

Men made these marks. Women don’t.”

Now, I wasn’t really surprised,

because that’s an attitude
that I’ve seen continuously

all my life as a theater maker.

We are told that divine knowledge
comes down through the masculine,

whether it be to the imam,
the priest, the rabbi, the holy man.

Similarly, we’re told that creative genius
resides in the masculine,

that it is the masculine

that will be able to tell us
about who we really are,

that the masculine will tell
the universal story

on behalf of all of us,

whereas women artists will really
just talk about women’s experiences,

women’s issues
only really relevant to women

and of passing interest to men –

and really only some men.

And it’s that conviction,

that that we are taught,

that I think colors so much
of whether we’re prepared to believe

that women’s stories really matter.

And unless we’re prepared to believe
that women’s stories really matter,

then women’s rights don’t really matter,

and then change can’t really come.

I want to tell you
about two examples of stories

that are thought to be
of universal importance:

“E.T.” and “Hamlet.”

(Laughter)

So I took my two children
when they were little –

Caroline was eight and Robby was five –

to see “E.T.”

And it’s a fantastic story
of this little alien

who ends up in an American family

with a mum, two brothers and a sister,

but he wants to go home.

Not only that, but some
really bad scientists

want to do some experiments on him,

and they’re looking for him.

So the children have a plot.

They decide they’re going to take him
back to his spaceship

as soon as they can,

and they plop him in a bicycle basket,

and off they ride.

But unfortunately, the baddies
have found out, and they’re catching up

and they’ve got sirens
and they’ve got their guns,

they’ve got the loud-hailers,
it’s terribly frightening,

and they’re closing up on the children,

and the children are never
going to make it.

And then all of a sudden, magically,
the bikes fly up in the air,

over the clouds,

over the moon,

and they’re going to save “E.T.”

So I turn to see my children’s faces,

and Robby is enraptured,
he’s there with them, he’s saving E.T.,

he’s a happy boy.

And I turn to Caroline,
and she’s crying her eyes out.

And I said, “What’s the matter?”

And she said, “Why can’t I save E.T.?
Why can’t I come?”

And then all of a sudden I realized:

they weren’t children;

they were boys –

all boys.

And Caroline, who had invested
so much in E.T.,

well, she wasn’t invited to save him,

and she felt humiliated and spurned.

So I wrote to Steven Spielberg –

(Laughter) (Applause)

and I said, “I don’t know
if you understand

the psychological importance
of what’s happened,

and are you prepared to pay
for the therapy bills?”

(Laughter)

Twenty years later, I haven’t
had a word back from him,

but I’m still hopeful.

(Laughter)

But I thought it was interesting,

because if you read reviews
of what he intended with E.T.,

he says very specifically,

“I wanted the world to understand

that we should love
and embrace difference.”

But somehow he didn’t include
the idea of girls' difference

in this thinking.

He thought he was writing a story
about all humanity.

Caroline thought he was marginalizing

half of humanity.

He thought he was writing a story
about human goodness;

she thought he was writing
a lad’s heroic adventure.

And this is common.

Men feel they have been given the mantle
for universal communication,

but of course, how could they be?

They are writing from male experience
through male’s eyes.

We have to have a look at this ourselves.

We have to be prepared to go back
through all our books and our films,

all our favorite things,

and say, “Actually, this is written
by a male artist –

not an artist.

We have to see
that so many of these stories

are written through a male perspective.

Which is fine,

but then females need to have
50 percent of the rights

for the stage, the film, the novel,

the place of creativity.

Let me talk about “Hamlet.”

To be or not to be.

That is the question.

But it’s not my question.

My question is: Why was I taught
as a young woman

that this was the quintessential
example of human dilemma

and human experience?

It’s a marvelous story,

but actually, it’s about a young man
fearful that he won’t be able to make it

as a powerful figure in a male world

unless he takes revenge
for his father’s murder.

He talks a great deal to us
about suicide being an option,

but the reality is that the person
who actually commits suicide, Ophelia,

after she’s been humiliated
and abused by him,

never gets a chance to talk
to the audience about her feelings.

And then when he’s finished with Ophelia,
he turns on his mum,

because basically she has the audacity
to fall in love with his uncle

and enjoy sex.

(Laughter)

It is a great story,

but it is a story about male conflict,
male dilemma, male struggle.

But I was told this was the story
of human beings,

despite the fact that it only
had two women in it.

And unless I reeducate myself,

I am always going to think

that women’s stories
matter less than men’s.

A woman could have written “Hamlet,”

but she would have written it differently,

and it wouldn’t have had
global recognition.

As the writer Margaret Atwood says,

“When a man writes about doing the dishes,

it’s realism.

When a woman writes about doing it,

it’s an unfortunate genetic disposition.”

(Laughter)

Now, this is not just something
that belongs to then.

I mean, when I was a young girl,

wanting desperately
to be a theater director,

this is what my male lecturer said to me:

“Well, there are three women
directors in Britain,” he said, “Jude.”

“There’s Joan Knight, who’s a lesbian,
there’s Joan Littlewood, who’s retired,

and there’s Buzz Goodbody,
who’s just killed herself.

So, which of those three
would you like to be?”

(Laughter)

Now, leaving aside
the disgusting slur on gay women,

the fact is, he wanted to humiliate me.

He thought it was silly
that I wanted to be a director.

And I told my friend Marin Alsop,
the conductor, and she said,

“Oh yes, well, my music teacher
said exactly the same.

He said, ‘Women don’t conduct.'”

But all these years later,
we’ve made our mark.

You think, “Well, it’ll be different now.”

I’m afraid it’s not different now.

The current head
of the Paris Conservatoire

said recently, “It takes
great physical strength

to conduct a symphony,

and women are too weak.”

(Laughter)

The artist George Baselitz said,

“Well, the fact is women can’t paint.

Well – they can’t paint very well.”

The writer V.S. Naipaul
said two years ago,

“I can read two paragraphs and know
immediately if it’s written by a woman,

and I just stop reading,
because it’s not worthy of me.”

Audience: Whoa!

And it goes on.

We have to find a way

of stopping young girls and women

feeling not only that
their story doesn’t matter,

but they’re not allowed
to be the storyteller.

Because once you feel
that you can’t stand in the central space

and speak on behalf of the world,

you will feel that you can offer
your goods up to a small, select group.

You will tend to do smaller work
on smaller stages,

your economic power will be less,

your reach of audiences will be less,

and your credit will be less as an artist.

And we do finally give artists
these incredible, prominent spaces

in the world,

because they are our storytellers.

Now, why should it matter to you
if you’re not an artist?

Supposing you’re an accountant
or an entrepreneur or a medic

or a scientist:

Should you care about women artists?

Absolutely, you must,

because as you can see
from the cave paintings,

all civilizations,

all of humanity

have relied upon artists
to tell the human story,

and if the human story
is finally told by men,

take my word for it,

it will be about men.

So let’s make a change.

Let’s make a change
to all our institutions,

and not just in the West.

Don’t forget – this message
of incapability of women

to hold creative genius

is being told to girls and women
in Nigeria, in China, in Russia,

in Indonesia.

All over the world, girls
and women are being told

that they can’t finally hold the idea
of creative inspiration.

And I want to ask you:

Do you believe that?

Do you believe that women
can be a creative genius?

(Applause and cheers)

Well then, please go forward,

support women artists,

buy their work,

insist that their voices are heard,

find platforms on which
their voices will be made.

And remember this:

that in a sense, if we’re going
to get past this moment

of a world where we know
that we are unequal,

it’s artists who have to imagine
a different world.

And I’m calling on all artists,
women and men,

to imagine a gender-equal world.

Let’s paint it. Let’s draw it.

Let’s write about it. Let’s film it.

And if we could imagine it,

then we would have the energy
and the stamina

to work towards it.

When I see this little girl,

11,000 years ago,

I want to know that the little girl now

can stand there and think
she’s entitled to her dreams,

she’s entitled to her destiny

and she’s entitled to speak
on behalf of the whole world,

be recognized for it

and applauded.

Thank you.

(Applause)

为什么我们

认为男人的故事被
认为具有普遍重要性,

而女人的故事被
认为仅仅是关于女人的?

我的祖母
12 岁时离开学校。

她有 14 个孩子。

我母亲 15 岁时离开学校。

她是一名秘书。

我从大学毕业
成为一名戏剧导演,

而这种进步完全
是因为我永远不会遇到的

人为女性争取权利、

获得投票权、接受教育、
获得进步而奋斗。

我也决心这样做
,显然你也是。

为什么不?

(掌声)

所以我在七年前开始了一个名为 WOW,
Women of the World

,现在在五大洲的 20 个国家

其中一个国家
是非洲的索马里兰。

所以我去年去了那里,

我去那里的部分乐趣
就是去这些洞穴。

Laas Geel 洞穴。

现在,这些洞穴包含一些
世界上最古老的洞穴壁画。

这些画作被认为
大约有 9,000 到 11,000 年的历史。

艺术

:人类
自进化以来所做的事情。

这是我们谈论自己的方式,

我们如何理解自己的身份,

我们如何看待周围的环境,

因为我们生活的意义而彼此了解的方式。

这就是艺术的目的。

所以看看这张小图。

我觉得是个小女孩。

我觉得它有点像
我小时候的样子。

我想,好吧,谁画了
这个快乐、年轻的形象?

我问了洞穴的馆长。

我说,“告诉我
画这些的男人和女人。”


绝对斜眼看着我,说:

“这些照片不是女人画的。”

我说,“嗯,
那是一万一千年前。”

我说:“你怎么知道?”

(笑声

) 他说,“女人不做这些事。

男人做这些标记。女人不做。”

现在,我并不感到惊讶,

因为这是

我作为一名戏剧制作人一生中不断看到的一种态度。

我们被告知,神圣的知识
是通过男性传下来的,

无论是对伊玛目
、牧师、拉比还是圣人。

同样,我们被告知,创造性天才
存在于男性身上

,男性

能够告诉
我们我们的真实身份

,男性将代表我们
所有人讲述普遍的故事

而女性艺术家 真的
只会谈论女性的经历,

女性的问题
只与女性真正相关

并且与男性无关——

而且真的只有一些男性。

正是这种

信念,我们被教导

,我认为
我们是否准备好

相信女性的故事真的很重要。

除非我们准备好
相信女性的故事真的很重要,

否则女性的权利并不重要

,那么改变就不会真正到来。

我想告诉
你两个

被认为
具有普遍重要性的故事的例子:

“E.T.” 和“哈姆雷特”。

(笑声)

所以当我的两个
孩子还小的时候——

卡罗琳八岁,罗比五岁——

去看“外星人”

这是一个
关于这个小外星人的奇妙故事,

他最终

与一个妈妈、两个兄弟和一个姐姐

一起生活在一个美国家庭,但他想回家。

不仅如此,还有一些
非常糟糕的科学家

想对他做一些实验

,他们正在寻找他。

所以孩子们有一个阴谋。

他们决定尽快把他
带回他的宇宙飞船

然后把他放在自行车篮子里,

然后骑车离开。

但不幸的是,坏人
发现了,他们正在追赶

,他们有警报器
,他们有枪,

他们有扩音器,
这非常可怕

,他们正在关闭 孩子们

,孩子们永远也做不到

然后突然之间,神奇地
,自行车在空中飞过,

飞过云层,

飞过月亮

,他们要去拯救“E.T.”。

所以我转身看着我孩子们的脸

,罗比欣喜若狂,
他和他们在一起,他在拯救 E.T.,

他是一个快乐的男孩。

我转向卡罗琳
,她的眼睛都在哭。

我说:“怎么了?”

她说,“为什么我不能拯救 E.T.?
为什么我不能来?”

然后我突然意识到:

他们不是孩子;

他们是男孩——

都是男孩。

而卡罗琳,在外星人身上投入了
这么多,

好吧,她没有被邀请去救他

,她感到被羞辱和唾弃。

所以我写信给史蒂文·斯皮尔伯格——

(笑声)(掌声

)我说,“我不知道
你是否理解

所发生的心理的重要性

,你准备好
支付治疗费用了吗?”

(笑声)

20 年后,我还没有
收到他的回音,

但我仍然充满希望。

(笑声)

但我觉得这很有趣,

因为如果你阅读
他对 E.T. 的意图的评论,

他非常明确地说,

“我希望世界

了解我们应该热爱
和拥抱差异。”

但不知何故,他并没有将
女孩差异的想法包含

在这种想法中。

他认为他正在写一个
关于全人类的故事。

卡罗琳认为他正在边缘化

一半的人类。

他以为他在写一个
关于人类善良的故事。

她以为他在写
一个小伙子的英雄冒险。

这很常见。

男人觉得他们被赋予
了普遍交流的外衣,

但当然,他们怎么可能呢?

他们通过男性的眼睛从男性的经验中写作

我们必须自己看看这个。

我们必须准备好
回顾我们所有的书和电影,

所有我们最喜欢的东西,

然后说,“实际上,这是
由男性艺术家写的——

不是艺术家。

我们必须
看到这么多这样的故事

是从男性的角度写的。

这很好,

但是女性需要拥有
50%

的舞台权、电影权、小说权、

创造力的地方。

让我谈谈“哈姆雷特”。

是。

这就是问题。

但这不是我的问题。

我的问题是:为什么我
年轻的时候被

教导这
是人类困境

和人类经验的典型例子?

这是一个了不起的故事,

但实际上,它是关于一个年轻的 男人
害怕除非他为父亲的谋杀报仇,否则他将无法

成为男性世界的强大人物

他对我们说了很多
关于自杀是一种选择,

但现实是那
个人 居然自杀了,奥菲莉亚


被他羞辱虐待后,

再也没有机会
与观众谈论她的感受。

然后当他和奥菲莉亚结束时,
他转向他的妈妈,

因为基本上她有
胆量爱上他的叔叔

并享受性爱。

(笑声)

这是一个伟大的故事,

但这是一个关于男性冲突、
男性困境、男性斗争的故事。

但有人告诉我这是人类的故事

尽管里面
只有两个女人。

除非我重新教育自己,否则

我总是会

认为女性的故事
不如男性的故事重要。

一个女人本可以写“哈姆雷特”,

但她会以不同的方式写它,

而且它不会得到
全球的认可。

正如作家玛格丽特阿特伍德所说,

“当一个男人写关于洗碗的时候,

这是现实主义。

当一个女人写关于这样做的时候,

这是一种不幸的遗传倾向。”

(笑声)

现在,这不仅仅是
属于当时的东西。

我的意思是,当我还是个小女孩的时候,

拼命
想成为一名戏剧导演,

这是我的男讲师对我说的:

“嗯,英国有三位女
导演,”他说,“裘德。”

“有女同性恋的琼·奈特,
退休的琼·利特伍德,还有刚刚自杀

的巴兹·
古德博迪。

那么,你想成为这三个人中的哪一个
?”

(笑声)

现在,撇开
对同性恋女性的恶心诽谤

,事实是,他想羞辱我。


认为我想当导演是愚蠢的。

我告诉我的朋友马林·阿尔索普
,指挥,她说,

“哦,是的,好吧,我的音乐老师
说的完全一样。

他说,‘女人不指挥。’”

但这么多年过去了,
我们已经 留下了我们的印记。

你会想,“嗯,现在不一样了。”

恐怕现在不一样了。

现任巴黎音乐学院院长

近日表示,“

指挥一首交响乐需要很大的体力,

而女性太弱了。”

(笑声

) 艺术家乔治·巴塞利茨说,

“嗯,事实是女人不会画画。

嗯——她们不会画得很好。”

作家 V.S. 奈保尔
两年前说,

“我能读两段,
马上就知道是不是女人写的

,我就不再读了,
因为它不值得我看。”

观众:哇!

它还在继续。

我们必须找到一种方法

来阻止年轻女孩和女性

不仅觉得
她们的故事无关紧要,

而且不允许她们
成为讲故事的人。

因为一旦你
觉得你不能站在中央

空间代表世界说话,

你就会觉得你可以将
你的商品提供给一个小的、精选的群体。

你会倾向于
在更小的舞台上做更小的工作,

你的经济实力会更少,

你的观众范围会更少

,你作为艺术家的信誉也会更少。

我们最终确实为艺术家们提供了世界上
这些令人难以置信的、突出的

空间,

因为他们是我们的故事讲述者。

现在,如果你不是艺术家,为什么对你很重要

假设你是一名会计师
、企业家、医生

或科学家:

你应该关心女性艺术家吗?

绝对,你必须,

因为
从洞穴壁画中可以看出,

所有的文明,

所有的人类

都依靠艺术家
来讲述人类的故事

,如果人类的
故事最终是由人类讲述的,

相信我的话,

它会 是关于男人的。

所以让我们做出改变。

让我们
改变我们所有的机构,

而不仅仅是在西方。

不要忘记——尼日利亚、中国、俄罗斯和印度尼西亚的女孩和妇女正在向
女性传达女性

无法拥有创造性天才的信息

全世界的女孩
和妇女都被告知

,她们最终无法掌握创意灵感的想法

我想问你:

你相信吗?

你相信女性
可以成为创造天才吗?

(掌声和欢呼)

那么,那么,请继续前进,

支持女艺术家,

购买她们的作品,

坚持让她们的声音被听到,

找到
她们的声音的平台。

记住这一点

:从某种意义上说,如果我们
要度过这个

我们知道我们是不平等的世界的时刻

那么艺术家必须想象
一个不同的世界。

我呼吁所有艺术家,
无论男女

,想象一个性别平等的世界。

让我们画它。 让我们画出来。

让我们写一下。 让我们拍下来。

如果我们能想象它,

那么我们就会有精力

耐力朝着它努力。

当我看到这个一

万一千年前的小女孩时,

我想知道这个小女孩现在

可以站在那里,认为
她有权拥有自己的梦想,

她有权拥有自己的命运

,她有权
代表全世界发言,

被认可 为

它鼓掌。

谢谢你。

(掌声)