Why theres no such thing as objective reality Greg Anderson

Transcriber:

In the next few minutes,

I hope to change the way you think about
the very nature of reality itself.

I’m not a physicist,
and I’m not a philosopher.

I’m a historian.

And after studying the ancient Greeks
and many other premodern peoples

for more than 20 years as a professional,

I’ve become convinced

that they all lived in real worlds
very different from our own.

Now, of course, you and I here today,

we take it for granted

that there’s just one
ultimate reality out there –

our reality,

a fixed universal world of experience

ruled by timeless laws
of science and nature.

But I want you to see things differently.

I want you to see that humans
have always lived in a pluriverse

of many different worlds,

not in a universe of just one.

And if you’re willing to see
this pluriverse of many worlds,

it will fundamentally change, I hope,

the way you think about the human past

and hopefully the present
and the future as well.

Now, let’s get started by asking
three basic questions

about the contents of our reality,

the real world that you and I share
right here, right now.

First of all:

What is it that makes something real
in our real world?

Well, for us, real things
are material things,

things made of matter
that we can somehow see,

like atoms, people, trees,
mountains, planets …

By the same token,

invisible, immaterial things –
like gods and demons,

heavens and hells –

these are considered unreal.

They’re simply beliefs,

subjective ideas that exist
only in the realm of the mind.

To be real,

a thing must exist objectively,

in some visible material form,

whether our minds can perceive it or not.

Second: What are the most
important things in our real world?

Answer: human things –

people, cities, societies,

cultures, government, economies.

Why is this?

Well, because we humans
think we’re special.

We think we’re the only
creatures on the planet

who have things like language,
reason, free will.

By contrast, nonhuman things, to us,
are just part of nature,

a mere backdrop to human culture,

a mere environment of things
that we feel entitled to use

however we want.

And third:

What does it mean to be a human
in our real world?

Well, it means being an individual,

a person who lives ultimately for oneself.

We think nature has made us this way,

giving each and every one of us
all of the reason, the right,

the freedom and the self-interest

to thrive and compete
with other individuals

for all of life’s important resources.

But I’m suggesting to you
that this real world of ours

is neither timeless nor universal.

It’s just one of countless
different real worlds

that humans have experienced in history.

What, then, would another world look like?

Well, let’s look at one,

the real world of the classical
Athenians in ancient Greece.

Now, of course, we usually know
the Athenians as our cultural ancestors,

pioneers of our Western traditions,
philosophy, democracy, drama

and so forth.

But their real world
was nothing like our own.

The real world of the Athenians
was alive with things

that we would consider immaterial
and thus unreal.

It pulsated with things like gods,

spirits, nymphs, Fates,

curses, oaths, souls

and all kinds of mysterious energies
and magical forces.

Indeed the most important things
in their real world

were not humans at all, but gods.

Why?

Because gods were awesome – literally.

They controlled all the things
that made life possible:

sunshine, rainfall, crop harvests,

childbirth, personal health,
family wealth,

sea voyages, battlefield victories.

There were over 200 gods in Athens,

and they were not remote,
detached divinities

watching over human affairs from afar.

They were really there,
immediately there in experience,

living in temples,

attending sacrifices,

mingling with the Athenians
at their festivals, banquets and dances.

And in the real world of the Athenians,
humans did not live apart from nature.

Their lives were dictated
by the rhythms of the seasons

and by the life cycles
of crops and animals.

Indeed the land of the Athenians itself

was not just a piece
of property or territory.

It was a goddess, a living goddess

that had once given birth
to the first Athenians

and had nurtured and cared for
all of their descendants ever since,

with her precious gifts
of soils, water, stone and crops.

Indeed, if anything should pollute
her soils with unlawful bloodshed,

it had to be expelled immediately,
beyond her boundaries,

whether it was a man, an animal
or just a fallen roof tile.

And in the real world of the Athenians,
there were no individuals.

All Athenians were inseparable
from their families,

and all Athenian families were expected
to live together and work together

as a single body,
like cells of a living organism.

They called this social body
simply “demos,” the people,

and they called their
way of life “demokratia,”

but it was nothing like
our modern democracy,

because Athenians were not born
to be individuals living for themselves.

They were born to serve and preserve
the families and the social body

that had given them life
in the first place.

In sum,

the whole Athenian way of being human
was radically different from our own.

Nature had programmed them
to live as one, as a unitary social body,

and it had designed them expressly
to coexist and collaborate

with all manner of nonhuman beings,

especially their 200 gods

and their divine earth mother.

Life in Athens was thus sustained
by what we can call a “cosmic ecology,”

a symbiotic ecology of gods,
motherland and people.

Now, of course, to us today
in our real world,

we look at their real world
and, well, it looks strange,

weird, bizarre, exotic
and, of course, unreal.

But it has many major things in common

with the real world experienced
by numerous other premodern peoples,

including, for example,

the ancient Egyptians,

ancient Chinese

and the peoples
of precolonial Peru, Mexico,

India, Bali, Hawaii.

In all of those premodern real worlds,

gods controlled all
of the conditions of existence.

Nonhumans were always expected
to collaborate with humans

and vice versa.

And humans were expected
to serve their communities,

not to live for themselves as individuals.

Indeed, in the grand scheme of history,

it’s our real world, our reality,
that is the great exception to the rule –

the exotic one, the strange one.

Only in our real world is reality itself
a purely material order.

Only in our real world are nonhumans
always subordinate to humans.

And only in our real world
are humans born to be individuals.

Why this uniqueness?

Well, because our real world
was shaped and forged

in a unique environment,

a historically unprecedented environment
in early modern Europe,

with its scientific revolution,
its enlightenment,

its novel, experimental,
capitalist way of life.

Yet, despite this uniqueness,

we just take it for granted
that our reality is the one true reality,

that all humans in history
have lived in only our real world,

whether they knew it or not.

And just think for a moment
of the colossal arrogance

of this assumption.

Basically, we’re saying, “We modern
Westerners are right about reality,

and everybody else in all of history

is wrong.”

Basically, we’re saying that all of those
extraordinary civilizations of the past

were really just lucky accidents,

because they were all founded
on nothing more

than myths, illusions
and false ideas about reality.

Why are we so certain that we’re right?

Why do we just take it for granted
that we know more?

Why do we struggle to take seriously
the real worlds of premodern peoples?

Well, because we think our modern sciences

provide the only truly objective
knowledge of reality.

But do they?

For more than a hundred years now,

the very idea of an objective reality has
been seriously and continually questioned

by experts in many different fields,

from physics and biology to philosophy.

Basically, these experts would suggest

that reality is not simply a material
order given to us by nature.

It is something that humans
actively participate in producing

when their minds interact
with their environment.

Here’s a way to think about it.

In order to make sense of experience,

every people in the past, in effect,
had to devise a model of the real world.

They would then use that model
as the basis for their whole way of life,

all of its practices,
its norms, its values.

And if that way of life proved to be
successful in practice, sustainable,

then the truth of the model
would be confirmed

by the evidence of everyday
experience: “It works!”

And thus, once the model became
internalized in mind

and baked into the environment,

the effect of a stable real world
would be generated

by ongoing interactions between the two,

between minds on the one hand,
environments on the other.

Let’s take a quick example.

Why are we so convinced
in our modern world

that we’re all, ultimately,
natural individuals?

Well, because a bunch of social scientists
in early modern Europe

decided that we were,

and because their model of a world
full of natural competitive individuals

became the basis for a new,
capitalist way of life

that generated unprecedented
levels of wealth –

at least for the lucky few –

and because all of us who’ve been raised
in capitalist nations ever since

have been continually socialized
to be individuals by our families,

our schools and our societies,

and because we are treated
precisely as individuals

almost every day of our lives

by the structures
which control those lives,

like our liberal democracy
and our capitalist economy.

In other words,

our minds and our environment
continually conspire

to make our individuality
seem entirely natural.

In sum:

no human being has ever experienced
a truly objective reality.

Different peoples have always
experienced different realities,

each one shaped by whatever
model of the world

happened to be embedded
in minds and environment at the time.

In other words,

humans have always lived in a pluriverse
of many different real worlds,

not in a universe of just one.

Let me close with three thoughts
that follow from this conclusion.

First of all,

we modern Westerners need to stop
thinking that all premodern peoples

are somehow more primitive
or less enlightened than ourselves.

Their real world, with all their gods
and magical forces,

were just as real as our own.

Indeed, those real worlds

anchored ways of life that sustained
the lives of multitudes

for hundreds, sometimes
thousands, of years.

Their real worlds were different;

they were not wrong.

Second:

we modern Westerners
need to get over ourselves.

(Laughter)

We need to be a little more humble.

For all of its extraordinary
technological accomplishments,

our brave new modern real world

has imperiled the whole future
of the planet in barely 300 years.

It’s made possible
all manner of historical horrors:

genocides across entire continents,

mass exploitation of colonized peoples,

industrial servitude,

two disastrous world wars,

the Holocaust,

nuclear warfare,

species extinctions,

environmental degradation,

factory farming

and, of course, global warming.

The evidence is there
if you want to see it.

Our model of reality has failed
catastrophically in practice.

Third:

other models and other
real worlds are possible.

Other worlds are being lived
right now, as we speak,

in what remains of history’s pluriverse,

in places like Amazonia,
the Andes, Southern Mexico,

Northern Canada, Australia

and all the other places where
Indigenous peoples are struggling

to preserve their highly sustainable
ancestral ways of life

to prevent them being destroyed
by modernity’s ever-expanding universe.

I suggest that all of these
nonmodern peoples past and present

have so much to teach us

about living more sustainable lives
in other possible worlds.

So let’s start right now
to try to learn from them

before it’s too late.

Let’s try to magnify our imaginations.

Let’s start to imagine other
possible ways of being human

in other possible worlds.

Thank you.

(Applause and cheers)

抄写员:

在接下来的几分钟里,

我希望改变你
对现实本身本质的看法。

我不是物理学家
,也不是哲学家。

我是历史学家。

在对古希腊人
和许多其他前现代民族

进行了 20 多年的专业研究后,

确信他们都生活在
与我们非常不同的现实世界中。

当然,今天你和我在这里,

我们理所当然地

认为那里只有一个
终极现实——

我们的现实,

一个

由永恒
的科学和自然法则统治的固定的普遍经验世界。

但我希望你以不同的方式看待事物。

我想让你看到,人类
一直生活在许多不同世界的多元

宇宙中,而不是一个只有一个世界的宇宙中。

如果你愿意看到
这个由许多世界组成的多元宇宙

,我希望它会从根本

上改变你思考人类过去的方式

,也希望现在
和未来也是如此。

现在,让我们从
三个基本问题开始,

询问我们现实的内容,

即你我现在分享的现实世界

首先:

是什么让
我们的现实世界中的某些东西变得真实?

嗯,对我们来说,真实的东西
是物质的东西,由物质构成的东西,

我们可以通过某种方式看到,

比如原子、人、树木、
山脉、行星

……同样地,

看不见的、非物质的东西——
比如神和恶魔,

天堂和地狱——

这些被认为是不真实的。

它们只是信念,

只存在
于头脑领域的主观想法。

为了真实

,事物必须客观地

以某种可见的物质形式存在,

无论我们的思想是否可以感知它。

第二:
我们现实世界中最重要的事情是什么?

答案:人类事物——

人、城市、社会、

文化、政府、经济。

为什么是这样?

好吧,因为我们人类
认为我们很特别。

我们认为我们是
地球上

唯一拥有语言、
理性、自由意志等东西的生物。

相比之下,对我们来说,非人类的事物
只是自然的一部分

,仅仅是人类文化的背景

,仅仅
是我们认为有权

随心所欲地使用的事物的环境。

第三:

在我们的现实世界中成为人类意味着什么?

嗯,这意味着成为一个个体,

一个最终为自己而活的人。

我们认为大自然造就了我们,

赋予我们每个人
所有的理由、权利

、自由和个人利益,

让我们茁壮成长并
与其他人竞争

生命中所有重要的资源。

但我建议你
,我们这个真实的世界

既不是永恒的,也不是普遍的。

它只是人类在历史上经历过的无数
不同的现实世界

之一。

那么,另一个世界会是什么样子呢?

好吧,我们来看一个,

古希腊古典雅典人的真实世界。

当然,现在我们通常
知道雅典人是我们的文化祖先,

是我们西方传统、
哲学、民主、戏剧

等等的先驱。

但他们的真实世界
与我们的世界完全不同。

雅典人的现实世界充满了

我们认为非物质的东西
,因此是不真实的。

它脉动着神灵、

精灵、仙女、命运、

诅咒、誓言、灵魂

以及各种神秘的能量
和魔法力量。

的确
,他们现实世界

中最重要的根本不是人,而是神。

为什么?

因为神太棒了——从字面上看。

他们控制着一切
使生活成为可能的东西:

阳光、降雨、庄稼收成、

分娩、个人健康、
家庭财富、

海上航行、战场上的胜利。

雅典有200多位神灵

,他们不是遥远的、
超然的神灵,

在远处监视着人类的事务。

他们真的在
那里,立即体验,

住在寺庙里,

参加祭祀,

在节日、宴会和舞会上与雅典人交往。

而在雅典人的现实世界中,
人类并没有脱离自然而生活。

他们的生活
取决于季节的节奏

以及
农作物和动物的生命周期。

事实上,雅典人的土地

本身不仅仅是
一块财产或领土。

这是一位女神,一位活生生的女神

,她曾经
生下第一批

雅典人,并
从那时起用

她宝贵
的土壤、水、石头和庄稼的礼物来养育和照顾他们的所有后代。

的确,如果有什么东西
用非法的流血污染了她的土地,

就必须立即驱逐,
超越她的界限,

无论是男人、动物
还是只是倒下的屋顶瓦片。

在雅典人的现实世界中,
没有个人。

所有的雅典人都
与他们的家庭密不可分

,所有的雅典家庭都应该

像一个有机体的细胞一样,作为一个整体生活在一起,一起工作。

他们把这个社会团体
简单地称为“demos”,人民

,他们称他们的
生活方式为“demokratia”,

但这与
我们的现代民主完全不同,

因为雅典人并非生来
就是为自己而活的个体。

他们生来就是为了服务和维护

最初赋予他们生命
的家庭和社会团体。

总之

,整个雅典人的生活方式
与我们的完全不同。

大自然将它们设计
为作为一个整体生活,作为一个单一的社会身体

,它明确设计它们

与各种非人类共存和合作,

特别是他们的 200 位神

和他们神圣的地球母亲。

因此,雅典的生活是
由我们所谓的“宇宙生态”维持的,

一种神、
祖国和人的共生生态。

现在,当然,对于我们今天
在现实世界中的我们来说,

我们看着他们的现实世界
,嗯,它看起来很奇怪,

奇怪,奇异,异国
情调,当然,不真实。

但它


许多其他前现代民族所经历的现实世界有许多共同之处,

例如古埃及人、

古代

中国人
以及前殖民时期的秘鲁、墨西哥、

印度、巴厘岛、夏威夷的民族。

在所有这些前现代的现实世界中,

神控制着所有
的存在条件。

非人类总是被期望
与人类合作

,反之亦然。

人类被
期望为他们的社区服务,

而不是作为个人为自己而活。

的确,在历史的宏大计划中,

我们的真实世界,我们的现实
,是这个规则的巨大例外

——异国情调的,奇异的。

只有在我们的现实世界中,现实本身
才是纯粹的物质秩序。

只有在我们的现实世界中,非人类
总是从属于人类。

只有在我们的现实世界
中,人类生来就是个体。

为什么会有这种独特性?

嗯,因为我们的现实世界

在一个独特的环境中塑造和锻造的,这


近代早期欧洲史无前例的环境,

有着科学革命
、启蒙

、新颖、实验性的
资本主义生活方式。

然而,尽管有这种独特性,

我们只是想当然地
认为我们的现实是唯一的现实,

历史上的所有人
都只生活在我们的现实世界中,

无论他们是否知道。

想一想这个假设
的巨大

傲慢。

基本上,我们是在说,“我们现代
西方人对现实的看法是正确的,

而历史上其他所有人

都是错误的。”

基本上,我们说过去所有那些
非凡的文明

实际上只是幸运的意外,

因为它们都建立

神话、幻想
和关于现实的错误观念之上。

为什么我们如此确定我们是对的?

为什么我们只是想当然地
认为我们知道的更多?

为什么我们很难认真对待
前现代人的现实世界?

好吧,因为我们认为我们的现代科学

提供了关于现实的唯一真正客观的
知识。

但是他们呢?

一百多年来,从物理学、生物学到哲学,许多不同领域的专家

都对客观现实的想法提出
了严肃而不断的质疑

基本上,这些专家会建议

,现实不仅仅是
大自然赋予我们的物质秩序。

这是人类
在思想与环境互动时积极参与生产的东西

这是一种思考方式。

为了理解经验,

过去的每个人实际上
都必须设计一个真实世界的模型。

然后,他们将使用该模型
作为他们整个生活方式、

所有实践
、规范和价值观的基础。

如果这种生活方式
在实践中被证明是成功的、可持续的,

那么这种模式的真实性
将被

日常经验的证据所证实
:“它有效!”

因此,一旦模型
在脑海中内化

并融入环境,

稳定的现实世界的效果
将由

两者之间的持续交互产生,

一方面是思想之间,另一方面是
环境。

让我们举一个简单的例子。

为什么我们
在现代世界

中如此确信我们最终都是
自然个体?

好吧,因为现代早期欧洲的一群社会科学家

认为我们是,

而且因为他们的世界
充满了自然竞争的个体的模型

成为

产生前所未有
的财富水平的新资本主义生活方式的基础 -

至少 对于少数幸运儿

——因为
从那以后在资本主义国家长大的我们所有人


被我们的家庭、

我们的学校和我们的社会不断地社会化为个体,

而且因为我们几乎每天都被
视为个体

我们的生活

受到
控制这些生活的结构的影响,

比如我们的自由民主
和资本主义经济。

换句话说,

我们的思想和我们的环境
不断

地使我们的个性
看起来完全自然。

总之:

没有人经历
过真正客观的现实。

不同的民族总是
经历不同的现实,

每一个都是由
当时的世界模式所塑造的,

碰巧嵌入
在当时的思想和环境中。

换句话说,

人类一直生活在
许多不同的现实世界中,

而不是只有一个世界。

让我以
从这个结论得出的三个想法结束。

首先,

我们现代西方人需要停止
认为所有前现代人

都比我们更原始
或更不开明。

他们的真实世界,连同他们所有的神灵
和魔法力量,

和我们的世界一样真实。

事实上,这些现实世界所

锚定的生活方式使
无数人的生活维持了

数百年,有时甚至
数千年。

他们的现实世界不同;

他们没有错。

第二:

我们现代西方人
需要克服自己。

(笑声)

我们需要谦虚一点。

尽管我们取得了所有非凡的
技术成就,但

我们勇敢的新现代现实世界

在短短 300 年内危及了地球的整个
未来。

它使
各种历史恐怖事件成为可能:

整个大陆的种族灭绝、

对殖民地人民的大规模剥削、

工业奴役、

两次灾难性的世界大战、

大屠杀、

核战争、

物种灭绝、

环境退化、

工厂化养殖

,当然还有全球变暖。

如果你想看,证据就在那里。

我们的现实模型
在实践中灾难性地失败了。

第三:

其他模型和其他
现实世界是可能的。

正如我们所说

,其他世界现在正生活在历史的遗迹中,

在亚马逊流域、
安第斯山脉、墨西哥南部、

加拿大北部、澳大利亚

等地,以及
土著人民正在

努力保护他们高度可持续的
祖先的所有其他地方 生活方式,

以防止它们
被现代性不断扩大的宇宙所摧毁。

我建议所有这些
过去和现在的非现代人

都可以教我们

在其他可能的世界中过上更可持续的生活。

因此,让我们现在
就开始尝试向他们学习,

以免为时已晚。

让我们试着放大我们的想象力。

让我们开始想象

在其他可能的世界中成为人类的其他可能方式。

谢谢你。

(掌声和欢呼)